Records: [TAP] M-Roll Invisible Resistance [Archive]

10-23-2007, 10:55 PM

maybe it's time to create a ranking table for this stuff

+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
| | | Best | Max | Average 12 | Average 12 | Average 12 |
| Rank | UserName | Time | Lines | Time | lines | inp |
|======+====================+==========+=======+== ==========+============+============|
| 1 | jago | 0:61:06 | ??? | 0:54:36 | - | -- |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
| 2 | Amnesia | 0:50:~~ | ??? | - | - | -- |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
| 2 | Digital | ~50sec | ??? | - | - | -- |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
| 2 | colour_thief | ~50sec | ??? | - | - | -- |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
| 3 | Rosti_LFC | 37sec | ??? | - | - | -- |
+------+--------------------+----------+-------+------------+------------+------------+
| 3 | kotetsu213 | 0:42:8~ | - | - | - | -- |
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Last update on Sep 28 03:30AM (Belgium)

General rule :

Try to survive as long as you can in M-roll

i just know that every "competitor" need to use MAME with cgwg M-roll cheat. if we use the cheat at level 900 for running chrono display purpose, is it ok about the gameplay values ?

Average 12 rules :

- start .inp record after nvram deletion (optional)

- try 12 successing attempt

- remove the best time attempt

- remove the worst time attempt

- calculate the average time (resting_attempts_time_addition / 10)

- calculate the average lines (resting_attemps_lines_addition / 10)

- report your result

- post your zipped .inp file (optional)

i would like to introduce the average 12 in this table for several reason :

- ranking become more fair and representative of players skills

- M-Roll acuracy is more important than just a lucky try

- take far less time need managment than T.A. Death or master mode

- take advantage of the .inp file !

Amnesia

10-24-2007, 12:10 PM

They can do 50 sec as well !!?? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif

Dawn.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

If it is true, remove me from the first place..No need to bet my average is not the same as colour_thief's..

I do around ~31-32 http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

Rosti LFC

10-24-2007, 03:18 PM

Could you possibly remind me how I activate the full m-roll, and not just the semi-invisible one?

Amnesia

10-24-2007, 03:28 PM

invisible ON

instant ON

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

10-24-2007, 03:39 PM

can somebody give me the invisible cheat ? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif

Rosti LFC

10-24-2007, 03:44 PM

can somebody give me the invisible cheat ? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif

I second that. Or the cheat code that you need to enter. I've only got the level cheat on mine.

DIGITAL

10-24-2007, 03:51 PM

:tgm2p:62000000:00000000:00000000:00000000:P1 Level
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:00000001:ffffffff:1
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:00000065:ffffffff:101
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:000000c9:ffffffff:201
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:0000012d:ffffffff:301
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:00000191:ffffffff:401
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:000001f5:ffffffff:501
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:00000259:ffffffff:601
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:000002bd:ffffffff:701
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:00000321:ffffffff:801
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:00000385:ffffffff:901
:tgm2p:00110000:06064bba:000003e7:ffffffff:999
:tgm2p:60000000:00000000:00000000:00000000:Activat e invisibility after selecting game mode
:tgm2p:00800000:06064ba5:00000010:00000010:P1 Invisibility
:tgm2p:00800000:06064bd0:0000007f:ffffffff:(Instan t)
:tgm2p:62000000:00000000:00000000:00000000:P1 Next
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000002:0000000f:I
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000003:0000000f:Z
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000004:0000000f:S
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000005:0000000f:J
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000006:0000000f:L
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000007:0000000f:O
:tgm2p:00010000:06064bf9:00000008:0000000f:T
:tgm2p:62000000:00000000:00000000:00000000:P2 Level
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:00000001:ffffffff:1
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:00000065:ffffffff:101
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:000000c9:ffffffff:201
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:0000012d:ffffffff:301
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:00000191:ffffffff:401
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:000001f5:ffffffff:501
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:00000259:ffffffff:601
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:000002bd:ffffffff:701
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:00000321:ffffffff:801
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:00000385:ffffffff:901
:tgm2p:00110000:06064f6e:000003e7:ffffffff:999
:tgm2p:00800000:06064f59:00000010:00000010:P2 Invisibility
:tgm2p:00800000:06064f84:0000007f:ffffffff:(Instan t)
:tgm2p:62000000:00000000:00000000:00000000:P2 Next
:tgm2p:00010000:06064fad:00000002:0000000f:I
:tgm2p:00010000:06064fad:00000003:0000000f:Z
:tgm2p:00010000:06064fad:00000004:0000000f:S
:tgm2p:00010000:06064fad:00000005:0000000f:J
:tgm2p:00010000:06064fad:00000006:0000000f:L
:tgm2p:00010000:06064fad:00000007:0000000f:O
:tgm2p:00010000:06064fad:00000008:0000000f:T

Courtesy of cgwg and copied from a topic buried somewhere on TC.

Rosti LFC

10-24-2007, 04:04 PM

I tried it on Death, and got a time of 1:04:73

I'll do another run on Level 900.

EDIT: Did one, managed 37 seconds.

tepples

10-24-2007, 04:42 PM

For those who want to practice on a GBA or DS or someone else's PC before trying it on the arcade emulator, how close are the following Lockjaw settings to this competition's standard?

Well width: 10 Well height: 20 Enter above ceiling: Off Speed curve: Death 300 Max ARE: 250 ms Randomizer: History Hold piece: Off Rotation system: Arika Floor kicks: Off Lockdown: Step reset Lock delay: SBSC Line clear delay: SBSC Clear gravity: Naive Gluing: Off Garbage: None Max sideways delay: 166 ms Sideways speed: 1G Initial sideways motion: Off IRS: On Diagonal: Off Hide blocks in well: On Next pieces: 1

Rosti LFC

10-24-2007, 04:54 PM

LJ players are at a disadvantage because, as I've stated in the LJ thread, invisible mode is a lot more difficult without any sort of line clear animation.

tepples

10-24-2007, 05:53 PM

LJ players are at a disadvantage because, as I've stated in the LJ thread, invisible mode is a lot more difficult without any sort of line clear animation.

Then I just need to get 0.39 out.

Rosti LFC

10-24-2007, 06:15 PM

LJ players are at a disadvantage because, as I've stated in the LJ thread, invisible mode is a lot more difficult without any sort of line clear animation.
Then I just need to get 0.39 out.

Level 300 on Death is also faster than 999 on Master. I can actually survive reasonably well at the latter speed, but not the former.

10-24-2007, 07:46 PM

I tried it on Death, and got a time of 1:04:73

in TOTAL invisibility ?

Tepple :

- TAP have a slight flash for each locking tetramino, maybe it can help to instant invisibility memorization and final position confirmation

Rosti LFC

10-25-2007, 04:12 AM

I tried it on Death, and got a time of 1:04:73
in TOTAL invisibility ?

Yes. That was on TA Death though, which is slower than Master 999

Amnesia

10-25-2007, 11:04 AM

LJ players are at a disadvantage because, as I've stated in the LJ thread, invisible mode is a lot more difficult without any sort of line clear animation.

Strongly exact !

DEATH 300 and MASTER 900 are almost the same speed, but ARE and lock delay are set differently..

If you don't lock, DEATH 300 is a bit harder, if you manually lock, MASTER 900 is potentialy faster..

I have tried to compare with P1 at MASTER 900 and P2 at DEATH 300, it is the same speed..

PS : my best is realy 50, no need to put a "~" http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

Rosti LFC

10-25-2007, 04:16 PM

DEATH 300 and MASTER 900 are almost the same speed, but ARE and lock delay are set differently..

Seeing as they are both 20G, surely different ARE and lock delay implies a different speed?

tepples

10-25-2007, 04:34 PM

Death 300 has much faster ARE than Master 900. But does this setting to approximate Master 900, based on wiki info, come any closer?

Speed curve: Death Max entry delay: 12 frames (200 ms) Lock delay: 17 frames (283 ms) Max sideways delay: 8 frames (133 ms) Other settings: As for TAP

kotetsu213

10-26-2007, 07:24 AM

This thing is sadistic. My best time is 42.86 or 42.88 or something, 42.8x, I'll try to make an .inp tomorrow maybe.

Amnesia

10-26-2007, 11:13 AM

I agree with you about the values, I was totally wrong in my precedent post.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif
But this scheme does not seem to represent the real thing..Maybe there is an error in the wiki..

I will perform more accurate comparison..

Amnesia

01-16-2008, 11:43 PM

On a same session of ~10 attempts : 44 and 45 sec .. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

If I have not yet reached 60 sec before April, I definitly give up.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

sjoecool1991

01-24-2008, 01:35 AM

Would I have to put on Death 300 to qualify for this high score list?

Or just Death?

Cause Ill try either way, even if I suck.

DIGITAL

01-24-2008, 02:16 AM

Would I have to put on Death 300 to qualify for this high score list?
Or just Death?
Cause Ill try either way, even if I suck.

Make it Master 901 and you're set.

Amnesia

02-06-2008, 08:12 PM

I wish to know what is your current SKill jago, c_t or other...

Have you improved since ?

I currently failed at least at 30-32,

1/5 attempts are around 40,

and my best attempts are around 42-44...

Still unable to reach again 50.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif
I feel that the improvement are exponential..

I am sure to reach 1min before April if I don't stop to practice 30min everydays..

colour_thief

02-06-2008, 10:55 PM

I've practiced a bit, but I don't think I've improved very much. This challenge is very brisk and unforgiving.

DIGITAL

02-07-2008, 04:10 AM

I haven't really practiced much but I gave it a brief go the other day for fun. I had some in the 30s, several in the 40s, and one or two at a little over 50. The session is too inconsistent and indicates how much I suck at it.

Amnesia

02-09-2008, 06:49 PM

WHHOOAA !!! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif I feel it is coming !!

After only 10 days of intensive training, I've dramaticaly improved !!

02-10-2008, 04:47 PM

I was wondering how peoples where able to do such good time in mame but i remembered that the tool i use to train m-roll resistance is "faster" than the original one... so i tried as you do with cgwg cheat and in 1h30 of continues attemps (100~150 try ?) :

http://jagorochi.free.fr/images/m_roll_resistance.png

the last attempt was the one you see on the picture... even if we can think i performed good times (lucky try ?) it's still not good enough compared to the ratio attemps/time result...

imo the time become good once you are able to break 40sec (my average is 35>40 sec), witch mean you don't throw your pieces onto the field praying for a good time

Even if we are able to break the famous 1min02 sec, we still have to succeed it in "real condition" witch is a totally another story http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

anyway, keep going amnesia http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

Amnesia

02-10-2008, 04:58 PM

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTqPoxqJwE

Look the end..

I was wondering how peoples where able to do such good time in mame but i remembered that the tool i use to train m-roll resistance is "faster" than the original one...

I think it does not matter...I can get the same average time with manual locking, it is more advantageous for the "flash memory", but you disrupt your stack faster..

jago, your 4 times : tell me it is not a chain !!? That are your 4 best after the 56 ?

Rosti LFC

02-10-2008, 07:58 PM

I agree with Jago. Yeah, training is good, but to survive the invisibility for 1:02 is really only a fraction of the way there.

You can do it more than once, but unless you can do it almost every other run I think it's a long way to go.

Sure, you can do it during an hour of training, but to do it on a real M-Roll, which is not as often, and which will make you nervous and put you under a lot more pressure is a lot harder.

I've survived 400 speed on Death for nearly 90 seconds (using a keyboard), but for me to hit 500 during a proper run is completely different.

02-10-2008, 09:17 PM

:cry: http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTqPoxqJwE

Look the end..
Mode: 20G G4
Rotation: Ti-World
Level: 999
Time: 05:42:01
Class: MasterO

Note: I actually played the staff roll with semi-invisibility but the replay shows full invisibility for some reason.

a pretty decent speed performance indeed, but the staff roll might not be what you expected http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

jago, your 4 times : tell me it is not a chain !!? That are your 4 best after the 56 ?

of course not http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

Amnesia

02-10-2008, 09:46 PM

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

Note: I actually played the staff roll with semi-invisibility but the replay shows full invisibility for some reason.

My god I am so so stupid..I didn't see it..

I really thought DIGITAL was able to master the M-roll with manual lock..

Even in semi invisible, it is still damn fast.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

Red_Star

02-12-2008, 06:00 AM

I was trying this in lockjaw, is there a trick to remembering block placement? maybe a certain way to stack to remeber where everything is?

Ghett0

02-12-2008, 06:25 AM

Depending on the next sequence, you can use these algorithms to create an even stack.

LOJ

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IOO

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S(or Z)TJL on the left side of the field.

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DIGITAL

02-12-2008, 06:51 AM

I was trying this in lockjaw, is there a trick to remembering block placement? maybe a certain way to stack to remeber where everything is?

The key is to not remember where everything is...unless you have a photographic memory. Try to remember the surface. There's a reason players often end up at the top after successfully finishing. When they make a mistake, they stack over it and move on. Other than that, stack as neatly as possible to minimize unexpected moments (line clears that didn't clear, piece that didn't lock and ended up in awkward positions, etc.).

Rosti LFC

02-12-2008, 05:08 PM

Neatness is quite important with the invisibility. If you're unsure about the surface, and it's flat, then it isn't too bad. If you're unsure and it's got holes in, then pieces are going to get stuck trying to move across it. If you're unsure, it's usually better to just let it go, and stack flatly over it rather than try and fix it.

02-25-2008, 12:33 PM

ct you got the Death Gm, but i will not let you get the master Gm first http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

KAN gived me some useful advise (and thanks to needle for translation) about m-roll strategy.

today's attemps n�12

http://www.the-shell.net/images/first_training_m_roll_completion_1min05.jpg
ps : the distribution was set to stop at 100 pcs, so the simulation automatically aborted, even if there is still room as show on this result screen http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

Amnesia

02-25-2008, 01:53 PM

Pas mal jago ! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

pas mal...Ok... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

colour_thief

02-26-2008, 07:03 AM

http://www.the-shell.net/images/first_training_m_roll_completion_1min05.jpg

Holy shit!

KAN gived me some useful advise (and thanks to needle for translation) about m-roll strategy.

Please share them! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif
My invisibility performance is pathetic. I did not believe it would even be possible to survive over a minute like you have with such little training. You have done very well!!

colour_thief

02-28-2008, 09:25 AM

Please share them! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif

Give me a chance... I have a full time job and a girlfriend, while you are single, unemployed, and friends with KAN and ZAB. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif:cry::cry:

DIGITAL

02-28-2008, 09:42 AM

Give me a chance... I have a full time job and a girlfriend, while you are single, unemployed, and friends with KAN and ZAB. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif:cry::cry:

Says the person who nabbed TAP GM first. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

02-28-2008, 05:00 PM

yo

take it easy http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

i will put something online today http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

02-28-2008, 09:00 PM

http://www.the-shell.net/images/inv_test.png

sorry i've got a lot of problem with my connection... it's 1AM norw and i must waik up at 6....

i will explain next time i'll come online witch mean probably next monday...

going to ski http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

03-03-2008, 02:10 PM

The key is to not remember where everything is...unless you have a photographic memory. Try to remember the surface. There's a reason players often end up at the top after successfully finishing. When they make a mistake, they stack over it and move on. Other than that, stack as neatly as possible to minimize unexpected moments (line clears that didn't clear, piece that didn't lock and ended up in awkward positions, etc.).

So Digital have pretty well resumed the main idea.

http://jagorochi.free.fr/images/inv_tips_1.png
example 1 :

The best way is only to concentrate on the surface, and i would say more : you should not try to memorise the block that compose the surface but more the empty shape that is just over. I mean, you have to know where are the free room for putting the next following pieces. But here it's an ideal way, and it might be different for peoples who try to challenge the shit.

example 2 :

The most easy way for our brain to memorize the surface is to stack as flat as possible. More it is flat more it is easy to remember. thoes examples shows "how you should stack" your piece to stay as flat as possible. You probably noticed by yourself that the ideal solution is on the upper side of the example instead of the bottom. We create holes but a (very) quick look on the surface is still pretty easy to remember... once we acquire exp we can handle "more complicated" surface but for beginning we better start with good basis. there is dozen of useful situation but i don't know them all you'll probably figure them out with exp...

example 3 :

At the beginning it's pretty difficult to build flat and refrain from habit of 20G "visible play" stacking. Worst are misplacement that can't completely change the surface in something unafordable... If you don't know well how is the surface (and i can assure you it arrive quite often) it's better restart builing flat on it, and just concentrate on the new surface. trying to throw randomly your pieces on hole by hoping recovery is impossible and furthermore the "brain concentration" you spent on it may totally make you forgot about the rest of the surface.... witch is the worst situation.

example 4 :

As always, you have to practice again and again and again and again, the challenge to let your brain acquire the needed experience. The point is that you don't really work your brain for photographic memory, but more on visual recognition of common pattern that come often ...

so in fact this is not much difficult than acquiring automatism for playing 20G, when you are beginner... imo it's just another (insane) step on your understanding and learning of ARS and 20G...

When you are moving the active piece on the stack, notice that it "may" help you to recall about the situation of the stack :

http://jagorochi.free.fr/images/inv_tips_2.gif

Amnesia

03-03-2008, 06:46 PM

I strongly agree with the 5 first pictures..

But honnestly, I tried many times to follow your advice with the horizontal "I" to recover a flat stack,

and I stay septic after 3745 attempts.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif
I have today enough skill in M roll to put this "I" on the good place..

03-04-2008, 10:20 AM

edited my previous post, with better readable pic, and explanation (i hope) http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

Amnesia

03-04-2008, 11:33 AM

Merci, tu fais tout ce que j'avais l'intention de me taper comme boulot http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

Kitaru

04-10-2008, 10:49 AM

Are Texmaster Special 999 D records eligible? If not, I believe my best in MAME in the invisible roll is ~53 seconds. I think my average time is around 40~45 seconds, but I'll have to do the average 12 thing to be sure.

Amnesia

04-10-2008, 11:09 AM

What !!? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif
My god..How long have you practiced ??

My average, if I count the failed attempts around 30sec, should be between 37 and 40..

No new best one since my 52..

04-10-2008, 11:24 AM

yeah of course ! why not, it will not change much as long as you play with standard TAP rules.

congrats Kitaru, keep going http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
i wasn't playing much m-roll since 1 month but i'm restarting and use 999D as well.

Kitaru

04-10-2008, 12:17 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F1dm9OA7hk

Judging by the first frame showing a tetromino and the last frame before the field is revealed, this is 57.6 seconds.

Amnesia

04-10-2008, 12:55 PM

It is very interesting..Kitaru, you are a "mine d'or" of stacking technics..

Your choice to focus on the stability of 2-3 lines thick is very good..

I start exactely like you if I can't build very easily a tetris in the begining..

Then I never remember why, but my stack disrupts after ~15 sec..

And I get up until ~3/5 to stabilize again and do surviving until the end..

Anyway, I was true..It is not necessary to be a Master M player to attack the m-roll.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

sjoecool1991

04-10-2008, 07:01 PM

Well, good thing I have a photographic memory.

Imma gonna practice now http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

Kitaru

04-17-2008, 07:20 AM

Yep, the timer doesn't work properly when you level lock 999. It only updates on certain frames, and in actuality does not affect the real time at all. My records have a Gm in 00:00:00, hahaha.

Amnesia

04-17-2008, 11:09 AM

Hhmm...Fuck.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

Do you realise that you are maybe less far than me from the Gm rank ?

Ghett0

05-11-2008, 12:19 AM

My best is 35.90. I made a tetris in that run! You can see the video of making an invisible tetris here. (http://download228.mediafire.com/ldnx0yvzdndg/bwuclpmcrdh/invisibletetris.avi)

05-11-2008, 06:36 AM

Invalid Quickkey. This error has been forwarded to MediaFire's development team.

tepples

05-11-2008, 06:52 AM

Invalid Quickkey. This error has been forwarded to MediaFire's development team.

Reuploaded (http://www.tetrisconcept.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=21747#21747).

colour_thief

05-18-2008, 07:57 PM

I just survived 1:00:37 in novanova, with 2 Tetrises!

cdsboy

05-19-2008, 12:32 AM

What is novanova...?

Amnesia

05-19-2008, 12:50 AM

2 tetrises ?? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif

Ghett0

05-19-2008, 01:11 AM

2 tetrises ?? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif

What so insane about that?

Amnesia

05-19-2008, 02:10 AM

Sorry, I did not know you are able to do it, I it is already difficult for me to do one tetris.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

Ghett0

05-19-2008, 05:29 AM

Sorry, I did not know you are able to do it, I it is already difficult for me to do one tetris.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

I have a trick for making invisible tetrises; just keep restarting until you get an I piece start.

If you start with an I piece, put it vertical in column nine.

>If you get a Z, Place it next the I to make an overhang and slip the next T under it.

>If you get an S, place it vertically next to the I to make an overhang and slip the next T under it.

>If you get a J, place it sticking up next to the I.

>If you get a L, place it butt-down next to the I.

If you get a T, place it in column 8/9 with the "point" pointing right. You can now slide any piece under it.

>If you get another I, place it vertical in column 8 and stick a L next to it.

If you follow these, you'll always end up with slopes shaped so that other pieces fit perfectly. If you get a flat wall, just repeat and make another slope. Now you only have to remember the surface of your slope, and then when it's all 4 blocks high, IRS and I to the side and repeat.

....That's pretty complex. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

cdsboy

05-19-2008, 05:45 AM

except for the fact that you can't bank on getting an I piece in a real game so even putting time into that is just plain stupid...

05-19-2008, 05:56 AM

Sorry, I did not know you are able to do it, I it is already difficult for me to do one tetris.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

I have a trick for making invisible tetrises; just keep restarting until you get an I piece start.

If you follow these, you'll always end up with slopes shaped so that other pieces fit perfectly. If you get a flat wall, just repeat and make another slope. Now you only have to remember the surface of your slope, and then when it's all 4 blocks high, IRS and I to the side and repeat.

....That's pretty complex. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

i would say even more : Pretty pointless.

Ok that's cool to do some Tetris in Invisible, But you'll probably understand when you'll get "M", that "just keep restarting until you get an I piece start" is stupid.

oh and "novanova" stuff is not public, and will be not because this is an outdated "only compiled" program that use copyrighted media. (and that i don't even have anymore on my HD)

Ghett0

05-19-2008, 06:05 AM

Sorry, I did not know you are able to do it, I it is already difficult for me to do one tetris.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

I have a trick for making invisible tetrises; just keep restarting until you get an I piece start.

If you follow these, you'll always end up with slopes shaped so that other pieces fit perfectly. If you get a flat wall, just repeat and make another slope. Now you only have to remember the surface of your slope, and then when it's all 4 blocks high, IRS and I to the side and repeat.

....That's pretty complex. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

i would say even more : Pretty pointless.
Ok that's cool to do some Tetris in Invisible, But you'll probably understand when you'll get "M", that "just keep restarting until you get an I piece start" is stupid.

oh and "novanova" stuff is not public, and will be not because this is an outdated "only compiled" program that use copyrighted media. (and that i don't even have anymore on my HD)

When you're starting at the M-roll, it's actually not pointless, because you can keep starting. It'd be pretty stupid to restart if you were in the "real" M-roll though.

Rosti LFC

05-19-2008, 06:09 AM

When you're starting at the M-roll, it's actually not pointless, because you can keep starting. It'd be pretty stupid to restart if you were in the "real" M-roll though.

Except that's the only thing that actually matters. Why train in a scenario that is completely different to the real thing?

05-19-2008, 07:23 AM

even if i really don't want to see those 2 russian (or french?) guy there, your smoking theory make me reming igor and Grichka bogdanov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdanov_Affair).

you forgot to to teach us what we are supposed to do after "1 tetris"...

something like "continuing stacking to numerous attempt to get a 2nd one ?"

Ghett0

05-20-2008, 01:16 AM

even if i really don't want to see those 2 russian (or french?) guy there, your smoking theory make me reming igor and Grichka bogdanov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdanov_Affair).

you forgot to to teach us what we are supposed to do after "1 tetris"...
something like "continuing stacking to numerous attempt to get a 2nd one ?"

Just repeat.

kotetsu213

05-20-2008, 01:43 AM

Ghett0

05-20-2008, 02:17 AM

What excellent advice given to us by one of the greatest players ever to grace Tetrisconcept, I must keep this in mind the next time I start the invisible roll with an I and a repeating pattern of pieces, which happens so many times that it may as well be automated!

The piece sequence does not have to be repeated. You know what, let me just tell you it in a way you'll understand. MAKE A SLOPE SO THAT YOU ONLY HAVE TO REMEMBER THE SURFACE OF THE SLOPE.

kotetsu213

05-20-2008, 02:36 AM

Gee, you don't have to be so loud. Why don't you demonstrate for us, show us a video of you getting a few Tetrises using your trick if you think it's that great.

tepples

05-20-2008, 03:14 AM

Gee, you don't have to be so loud. Why don't you demonstrate for us, show us a video of you getting a few Tetrises using your trick if you think it's that great.

Or even a LJ0.45 replay with Hide blocks in well=On, Scenario=Death.

Amnesia

05-20-2008, 03:45 AM

I agree, I want you show me how to do only two Tetrises, not more !

Only 2.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

Kitaru

06-10-2008, 10:20 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_Ax8xQYA6A

This is probably my best recorded run, although it is evident that I lost my mind and just sort of mashed through the pieces after I lost control of the stack.

Also, when does the TAP M-roll end? In the case of the TexMaster M-roll, the answer is apparently "after more than 60 seconds." I thought the TAP M-Roll was straight-up 3600-frames-at-60-frames-per-second singular minute and no more, but I could be misinformed. I suppose I should check later.

Rosti LFC

06-10-2008, 10:56 PM

According to here (http://www13.plala.or.jp/TETRiS_TGM/kouza/index.htm) the staff roll is 61.5 seconds long.

Amnesia

06-10-2008, 11:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_Ax8xQYA6A
This is probably my best recorded run, although it is evident that I lost my mind and just sort of mashed through the pieces after I lost control of the stack.

Also, when does the TAP M-roll end? In the case of the TexMaster M-roll, the answer is apparently "after more than 60 seconds." I thought the TAP M-Roll was straight-up 3600-frames-at-60-frames-per-second singular minute and no more, but I could be misinformed. I suppose I should check later.

rRRHHAA !!! how do you do ???? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif

07-16-2008, 08:21 AM

long time i haven't posted here, and same for trying "average 12"
after 3 complete run (the 1st was just shit so no calculation, the 2nd one was 46,16) i've managed a not too bad (list ordered) :

33,28 -> dropped 38,63 42,03 44,1 46,2 48,16 54,06 54,6 55,2 59,23 60,66 61,51 (completed) -> droppedaverage : 50,29

Amnesia

07-16-2008, 09:11 AM

Really impressive..The half of your 12 are over my best one..
Is it a particular good session ? Or did you really reach a probability of 15% to get it ?
(2/12 I mean..)

Amnesia

07-16-2008, 09:38 AM

1. 46:35
2. 41:40
3. 41:35
4. 40:98
5. 39:61
6. 39:53
7. 39:28
8. 33:85
9. 33:68
10. 32:78
11. 31:90
12. 30:36

HA ha ! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif ah ha ha.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif

Average : 37:64..

bah I don't practice..If I practice a bit, everyody know that I could crush you as well on this little divertissement.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

07-16-2008, 03:29 PM

bah I don't practice..If I practice a bit, everyody know that I could crush you as well on this little divertissement.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif
hm ? are you talking to me ?

Amnesia

08-06-2008, 12:31 AM

Little increasement of my 10 average : 39,1sec..
Still very poor, but still in increasing..

Ah my god..this road is so long.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif

Rosti LFC

08-06-2008, 01:39 AM

Ah my god..this road is so long.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif

You never know though. You might have a point where something clicks and suddenly you make a massive improvement.

Amnesia

08-06-2008, 04:03 AM

46.6 with constant manual locking..
I think that I finaly found a way..

08-06-2008, 12:56 PM

46.6 with constant manual locking..
I think that I finaly found a way..
T'es vraiment irr�cup�rable je crois... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif

08-13-2008, 09:12 AM

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OvpDzbAliek

Amnesia

08-13-2008, 07:17 PM

Whoaahh !!
Incroyable les 3 Tetris !! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif

Franchement bravo, tu es pr�t pour le Gm y a aucun doute !!!!

08-23-2008, 09:03 AM

http://www.the-shell.net/images/m_roll_average.png

the recent "???????"?misadventure boosted me up on my training...

the 61,5 in red mean "completed m-roll"... so the average is a little bit biased since we can't get over

11-04-2008, 10:04 PM

this is a nightmare...
http://www.the-shell.net/images/average12_05nov08.jpg

12-14-2008, 04:48 AM

recently i'm always crying because i can't succeed the M-Roll, and particularly when i see Kan doing it so easily... my level is not bad but still far from his level.
But after all it's fucking crazy difficult challenge and Kan told me that there is about 40 peoples who got the Gm orange line. that's quite few.
i should revise my judgment about "everybody can do it". i'm now finishing general design of a new application that will help me in m-roll understanding (i hope), and general technical analysis. But i must hurry to finish this program before new years day.

i took the red pill long time ago, i now awake if want to read into the matrix http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif , or maybe i'm not the one.... shit i don't wanna finish like Cypher