[Heboris] 20G-#G4 / Hebo Mini Master-Hard 20G

[jujube]

Heboris Unofficial Expansion can be obtained via this page. (http://hebo.game-host.org/index.html)
Rules
==========================
- Use Default Heboris settings
- Play 20G Mode/Grade 4 (or Master-Hard in Hebo mini with 20G on)


Rotation: Ti-World
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Name Class Level Time YYYY-MM-DD Mode
================================================== ================
Digital ---------- MO ---- 999 -- 05:42:01 -- 2007-11-25 -- 20G-G4
Amnesia ---------- MV ---- 999 -- 06:17:98 -- 2009-09-23 -- 20G-G4
EIHoppe ---------- M ----- 999 -- 06:30:53 -- 2008-01-30 -- 20G-G4
jujube ----------- m6 ---- 999 -- 07:39:71 -- 2007-11-27 -- 20G-G4
kotetsu213 ------- m4 ---- 999 -- 07:07:75 -- 2008-01-31 -- 20G-G4


Rotation: Ti-ARS
================================================== ========================
Name Class Level Time Lv/S YYYY-MM-DD Mode
================================================== ========================
Digital ---------- M ----- 999 -- 05:24:16 -- 3.08 -- 2008-05-30 -- 20G-G4
Amnesia ---------- M ----- 999 -- 05:54:81 -- 2.82 -- 2008-11-17 -- 20G-G4
rednefed --------- m3 ---- 999 -- 06:37:60 -- 2.51 -- 2009-01-28 -- 20G-G4
jujube ----------- m1 ---- 999 -- 07:57:35 -- 2.09 -- 2008-11-30 -- MH 20G
Mr. Antisocial --- S8 ---- 783 -- 06:19:11 -- 2.07 -- 2008-02-18 -- 20G-G4
Rosti LFC -------- S8 ---- 660 -- 05:09:56 -- 2.13 -- 2008-03-02 -- 20G-G4
cdsboy ----------- S8 ---- 623 -- 04:41:93 -- 2.21 -- 2008-03-30 -- 20G-G4
EIHoppe ---------- S8 ---- 595 -- 04:47:68 -- 2.07 -- 2008-01-05 -- 20G-G4
sjoecool1991 ----- S6 ---- 597 -- 05:01:93 -- 1.98 -- 2008-03-13 -- 20G-G4
Billmaan --------- S5 ---- 610 -- 05:28:41 -- 1.86 -- 2008-02-24 -- 20G-G4
Caithness -------- S4 ---- 687 -- 07:01:71 -- 1.63 -- 2008-02-19 -- 20G-G4
Bou -------------- S3 ---- 829 -- 08:00:58 -- 1.72 -- 2008-02-17 -- 20G-G4
kx5 -------------- S3 ---- 582 -- 05:08:05 -- 1.89 -- 2008-04-23 -- 20G-G4
kapat ------------ S2 ---- 817 -- 08:04:48 -- 1.69 -- 2008-11-23 -- 20G-G4
Red Star --------- S1 ---- 555 -- 05:50:76 -- 1.58 -- 2008-02-10 -- 20G-G4
herc ------------- 4 ----- 500 -- 06:30:83 -- 1.28 -- 2008-03-02 -- 20G-G4


Rotation: DTET (D.R.S.)
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Name Class Level Time YYYY-MM-DD Mode
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Amnesia ---------- M ----- 999 -- 06:01:93 -- 2008-08-08 -- 20G-G4
cdsboy ----------- m2 ---- 845 -- 05:35:90 -- 2008-02-24 -- 20G-G4
Bou -------------- S9 ---- 685 -- 05:37:93 -- 2008-03-12 -- 20G-G4
jujube ----------- S5 ---- 599 -- 04:04:88 -- 2008-02-06 -- 20G-G4
Caithness -------- S5 ---- 586 -- 05:57:88 -- 2008-02-23 -- 20G-G4


Rotation: ACE-ARS2
================================================== ===============================
Name Class Level Time YYYY-MM-DD Mode Notes
================================================== ===============================
Amnesia ---------- MO ---- 999 -- 06:09:36 -- 2008-11-21 -- 20G-G4
rednefed --------- M ----- 999 -- 06:16:91 -- 2009-01-02 -- 20G-G4 -- Orange Line
kapat ------------ S5 ---- 918 -- 09:06:88 -- 2008-11-18 -- 20G-G4

[jujube]

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3893/hebo20gm1zx1.png

[DIGITAL]

Ti-World

Digital -----------MK       999   06:27:21   12/11/07

[EIHoppe]

Holy relatively fast and really really sloppy stacking, Batman!!


TI-World

EIHoppe -----------M1       999   07:50:63   13/11/07

I know I can do better than this, I stopped locking about 600 because of a few double locks late in the 500 section that made me paranoid. I can probably push the tempo a lot faster than I did, probably closer to the 7 minute mark more than the 8 minute mark. I'd have my old scores if I wanted to dig up my laptop, which I don't.


In addition, there were SOOOO many misdrops and botched placements and such that the grade probably should have been two or three ranks higher. For the entire 700 section, in fact, I was about three blocks away from death and just couldn't seem to actually recover (in other words, I'd open the hole and botch a placement two pieces later). Bronze SK and RE, platinum (shiny gold, whatever you'd prefer to call it) ST.


Also, jujube, I hate you, this stupid leaderboard kept me up when I should have gone to bed because I have exams at 8 tommorow. How dare you. Bah.


(in case you read this when you're tired/not able to see sarcasm, that's sarcastic. Except for that whole "I actually should be sleeping" bit. I'm definitely going to regret playing a few rounds to get a decent score up tommoro...later today. It's already 1:40 in the morning...)


~EI

[jujube]

I stopped locking about 600 because of a few double locks late in the 500 section that made me paranoid. I can probably push the tempo a lot faster than I did, probably closer to the 7 minute mark more than the 8 minute mark.
see, this is what i don't understand. Digital was telling me that if you play well the game speeds up and allows you to play faster. i'm able to manually lock the entire game, with only the occasional double-lock in 900-999. the delays are driving me crazy and i can't seem to do "well" enough to make the game go faster. it seems like i'm placing pieces quickly and locking them right away, and i'm also getting a lot of tetrises.

Also, jujube, I hate you, this stupid leaderboard kept me up when I should have gone to bed because I have exams at 8 tommorow. How dare you. Bah.

good luck on your exams http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif
muahahahahaa


no seriously, i'm sure you'll do fine.


edit: i finally made it to 500 in under 5:00 and there was a big difference in the pace of the game after that point.

[EIHoppe]

I believe the pace of the game has a LOT to do with how many "section cools" (as the wiki puts it) you get--for every section cool you get that you pass the section, your SP-rank goes up by 20 for the section rather than 10 (so at 100, it'd be 20, 200 = 40, 300 = 60, etc.). I'm not sure how accurate Heboris's system is compared to TI, but one thing for certain is that it (section cools) seems to be affected by section times, so make sure you keep those low if nothing else.


Also, if you're going fast enough, you should see a MAJOR increase in pace at 400, just like on Master-G4. (300 would be the first 20G section usually under optimal pace, and would retain standard delays, and 400 would be the first section with modified delays), so use that as your guideline.


Hopefully I'll have more time to get a few runs in today. But first, and most importantly now...sleeeeep...


~EI


P.S. Think I did well on my first exam today, so all should be well. I guess I forgive you. =P

[jujube]

jujube ------------M1       999   08:33:05   13/11/07
still the same class, but almost a minute faster

EIHoppe - i've been working on my section times, and in an earlier game actually got sub-51s on the first section. i can't seem to hold it together up to 400 yet though. i'm still not double-locking until 700 or so. anyway thanks for the knowledge. it's good to have a short term goal in mind at the beginning of the game. guess for now i'll focus on sub-1:00 for each of the first 4 sections, and go from there.

edit:
jujube ------------M2       999   08:18:98   13/11/07

edit: i don't know what i did but i guess it was better http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif
jujube ------------M4       999   08:34:36   13/11/07
platinum ST, silver SK, bronze RE

[jujube]

Ti World

jujube ------------M5       999   08:19:95   13/11/07
i need a break from this. now for a relaxing game of DOOM http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif

and where are the ARS players?

[DIGITAL]

Ti-World

Digital -----------MV      999    06:16:38   13/11/07


Hmm, I really do wonder if there are still any active Ti-ARS players here besides me.

[jujube]

ok, let's get things started at least.


Ti ARS

jujube ------------S1       868   08:57:90   14/11/07

edit:
Ti ARS
jujube ------------S4       855   08:27:70   14/11/07

[colour_thief]

Hmm, I really do wonder if there are still any active Ti-ARS players here besides me.


I'm very active. It's just that when I can choose between keyboard heboris or astrocity TGM3, the latter wins every time.


I don't know what everyone else's excuse is though. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

[mat]

i'm still warming up on my joystick... i'll be there soon... don't want to post keyboard scores...

[jujube]

Ti-ARS

jujube ------------S5      747    06:47:35   15/11/07
bronze SK http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[DIGITAL]

Here's the video for the Ti-World MV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4UyJqMUbpg

[DIGITAL]

Initial Ti-ARS record to give me something to aim for.

Digital -----------m5      896    05:27:35   17/11/07

[EIHoppe]

I'm amazed I walked away from this one with a M4:


EIHoppe -----------M4       999   07:13:23   17/11/07

I also decided to get Camtasia to upload a video of the replay to Google Video--this is a sloppy one overall, especially after I was distracted by people around me (you'll be able to tell--a few pieces lock in the middle with me doing nothing about it), which shook me up and caused me to play much more conservatively.


EDIT: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6288451144 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8311313666288451144)


~EI

[DIGITAL]

Digital -----------MO      999    05:42:01   25/11/07

EDIT: Whoops, I forgot to mention this is a Ti-World record.

[jujube]

Ti-World

jujube ------------m6      999    07:39:71   27/11/07

[DIGITAL]

Nice leaps in time everyone! Maybe we just weren't trying hard enough at first.

[jujube]

but...let's go better next time.

[Rosti LFC]

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m313/rostilfc/HeboG4.png

[DIGITAL]

Here's the Ti-World MasterO video. Before your eyes pop out during the staff roll, take a look at the video description.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTqPoxqJwE

[eks]

what expansion is best?

[EIHoppe]

Nice run.


A bit off-topic, but I *love* the music/sound effects you have in the MO video. Is there any chance you could upload that? (even if it's just the sound effects for legality's sake, would still be awesome)


Also, I've ended up taking a large break--though seeing that makes me want to get back into gear...I'll play a few rounds tonight and see what happens. =P


~EI


EDIT: It seems like Heboris really mangled that replay, too--the pieces are using (Ace?)ARS graphics despite the rotation system being set to TI-World.

[jujube]

eks - i made a new link on the first page. this one goes straight to the uploader. see how one of the new versions works for you.

[DIGITAL]

Nice run.

A bit off-topic, but I *love* the music/sound effects you have in the MO video. Is there any chance you could upload that? (even if it's just the sound effects for legality's sake, would still be awesome)

Also, I've ended up taking a large break--though seeing that makes me want to get back into gear...I'll play a few rounds tonight and see what happens. =P

~EI

EDIT: It seems like Heboris really mangled that replay, too--the pieces are using (Ace?)ARS graphics despite the rotation system being set to TI-World.


I'm still refining the sounds as we speak, but i can send you a copy privately once I feel satisfied with it (unless you would prefer the incomplete versions). Also, it sounds so much cooler, crispier, and deeper than what you hear on the youtube video. My screen recording software seriously mangled up the audio.


As for the block graphics, I purposely replaced Ti-World's block graphics with Ti-ARS's block graphics. They just look so much better, imo. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

Also, notice the subtle background animations. I think the hue changes look pretty neat don't you think?

[EIHoppe]

Depends on how long that'll take, heh. I like how it sounds now, but I'm intrigued by the thought of improving it, heh.


Did you do all the sounds and music yourself? It sounds very professional and classy. I also like how everything feels like it's tied into that trance-y music (and feel). Now that I think of it, the music does tie everything together--will that be included? Hell, if it's copyrighted, at least tell me who did it so I can find a *ahem* way, hah.


As for the backgrounds, I noticed that, too. The hue changes were subtle, but it kinda helps tie everything in as well.


You should just release the backgrounds, music, and sounds as a whole Hebo-trance set or something. Charge people money or something (just make sure I get it for free for giving you the idea). =P


...


Anyway, on the G4 front, another few M3s that were a bit faster (sub 7 minutes), but clearly I should slow myself down and stack cleaner. You've got me by two grades despite a difference of 20 seconds, jujube, so clearly I'm pushing myself too fast. Bah to that. =P


Also...they restarted work on UE? I thought they completely stopped working on it once Hosiken pulled Heboris? I might have to check out the latest versions--does anyone know what's been improved?


~EI

[jujube]

Anyway, on the G4 front, another few M3s that were a bit faster (sub 7 minutes), but clearly I should slow myself down and stack cleaner. You've got me by two grades despite a difference of 20 seconds, jujube, so clearly I'm pushing myself too fast. Bah to that. =P
i wouldn't look too deeply into it. one of these times your grade will jump, and you won't realize what you did differently.

Also...they restarted work on UE? I thought they completely stopped working on it once Hosiken pulled Heboris? I might have to check out the latest versions--does anyone know what's been improved?

~EI

yeah, UE has been revived. the biggest improvement i've seen is how much faster the game loads.

[DIGITAL]

Did you do all the sounds and music yourself? It sounds very professional and classy. I also like how everything feels like it's tied into that trance-y music (and feel). Now that I think of it, the music does tie everything together--will that be included? Hell, if it's copyrighted, at least tell me who did it so I can find a *ahem* way, hah.
No, I didn't make the sounds or the music. I just made some heavy modifications to existing TGM series sounds to make them sound even more out of this world.

As for the music, I used bits and pieces of several trance tunes I've been storing. I did speed up a tune or two to match the fast pace action though. In order, the songs are:
1. Andromeda (Original Mix) - Kai Del Noi
2. 92 Elements (Original Mix) - David Forbes & Mallorca Lee
3. Nothing to Loose (Airbase Mix) - Jaron Inc
4. Generate the Wave (Original Mix) - Dave 202
5. Frantic (Original Mix) - Will Holland vs Six Senses
You should just release the backgrounds, music, and sounds as a whole Hebo-trance set or something. Charge people money or something (just make sure I get it for free for giving you the idea). =P

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif I really just made this set of mods for presentation purposes. Never really expected anyone to pay attention actually. So for that reason, it'll remain somewhat private and supplied on a per person basis.

[EIHoppe]

Ah, gotcha. Well, I'd still be glad to recieve a copy of that set if you're willing to distribute. I still say it sounds damn nice. =)


As for the new UE, the only thing I notice is a new mode select screen. It is pretty spiffy, though, to tell the truth.


Still nothing on the G4 front after a few more tries... Bah. Clearly taking a couple weeks for stuff like schoolwork was a bad idea for my TGM play. >_>


~EI

[eks]

finally got C7V4EX to work nice on my computer. Is it under 5min lvl500?

[DIGITAL]

finally got C7V4EX to work nice on my computer. Is it under 5min lvl500?

The torikan for 20G for every rotation system is under 6 minutes.

[eks]

finally got C7V4EX to work nice on my computer. Is it under 5min lvl500?
The torikan for 20G for every rotation system is under 6 minutes.


Aha thx. thats not so bad then i did lvl500 on 6.20 something.

[DIGITAL]

Aha thx. thats not so bad then i did lvl500 on 6.20 something.

Ah so close hehe. You'll probably break it soon enough.

[EIHoppe]

I'm on a roll today...though, as you said jujube, I have NO CLUE how I ended up with the grade I got. Equally amusing is my time which is .40 of a second slower. How in the hell did that happen?


Oh well. Improvements are improvements. =P


TI-World

EIHoppe -----------M6       999   07:13:63   30/12/07

~EI


EDIT: As for the torikan, one thing that'll probably help you shave seconds off your time is setting section time goals--what are your section times under 500? A good time to aim for is ~1:20 per section, as that should get you under six minutes. As you improve, keep pushing that bar higher.


Another notable thing about the G4 grading is that the game will increase in speed if you play well (as far as I can tell, that usually seems to equate to "fast"), so if you can even get one fast section, the added speed can help you push yourself even faster. A good indicator is the music--if you can get the second G4 music at 400, or especially at 300, it's a good sign that you're pushing yourself at a good pace. If the music changes at 300, it means you've done as good as you can as far as increasing the pace of the game. Section times under a minute should be enough to push the pacing of the game and get the music switch at 300--that should be a good long term goal to pursue.


Keep pushing yourself, you're not far from that torikan. I expect to see good results soon. =)


~EI

[Mr. Antisocial]

Ti-ARS

Mr. Antisocial ----S6      567    04:47:41   02/01/08

[EIHoppe]

Okay, change of pace guys. I decided to do a run on ARS.


In effect...the armegeddon is here, run for the hills...or something.


TI-ARS

EIHoppe -----------S5       695   05:54:25   02/01/08

Of curiousity, how's the soundset going, Digital? (and, offtopic, but your Youtube name is DigitalDevil248. Are you a Shin Megami Tensei fan by any chance? Just curious...considering most of the games have subtitles of Digital Devil Story or Digital Devil Saga or the like.)


~EI

[jujube]

updated. heh, didn't notice your post until now EIHoppe. nice game. and that's a good rank for 567 Mr. Antisocial. made a few tetrises did you?


edit: got your Ti-ARS score too EIHoppe. thanks for temporarily knocking me out of last place http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[EIHoppe]

Don't worry about it. I'll get that S6 and bump myself up. =P


Should only require another tetris or too anyway (t'least in theory...and/or I hope).


......Maybe I'm better off shooting for the section cool at 300 or 400 or something...I only got the first three section cools on that run.


~EI

[EIHoppe]

Don't worry about it. I'll get that S6 and bump myself up. =P


Told ya so. (Not in the way I expected, though...) =P


TI-ARS

EIHoppe -----------S8       595   04:47:68   05/01/08

Somehow my survivability went down, but my grade went up. Oh well.

In other news, it's more the speed of the later levels that kills me more than anything else. I think if TGM1 had I-floorkicks, I could be a TGM1 GM today. Oh well, what can ya do? Not like I even have TGM1 on my laptop at this point anyway, and I don't feel like drudging up Google and going on the EPIC SEARCH OF DEATH... (not to mention I'm heading back "home" home tommorow and will once again have access to my tower) >_>

~EI

EDIT: Bam! On another roll!

TI-World
EIHoppe -----------M6       999   06:55:43   05/01/08

No grade improvement, but I hit sub 7 minutes--and for some reason, got Heboris to switch the music again at 900...very odd.


Either way, I'm getting faster and more confident. Expect more grade jumps soon... =)

[DIGITAL]

No grade improvement, but I hit sub 7 minutes--and for some reason, got Heboris to switch the music again at 900...very odd.



That signifies that you skipped a section of the speedcurve. If you play really well, the music switches take place at 300, 400, 700, and 900.

[EIHoppe]

Good day today.


Don't know when/if I switched music, I had to play muted (was playing in class--shhhh... It was after a quiz, besides and everyone else was still working). Either way, it's a big improvement both in grading and time.


TI-World

EIHoppe -----------M9       999   06:34:61   10/01/08

Watch out, Digital, I'm catching up to you......


~EI

[jujube]

whoooooaaaaa...m6 -> m9

[EIHoppe]

It's been really quiet on this front. Where are all the 20G-G4 players!?


I've gotten a few more M8s and M7s, but I haven't managed to break into Master territory yet.


Question for anyone with a working screen capture program: would you be willing to take a capture of my M9 replay and put it on Youtube? I'd do it myself except Camtasia took a dump on me and I can't seem to get Fraps to work on my craptop.


Alternately, does anyone know of any good (preferably open source i.e. free) Linux capture software? I'd be more than willing to capture my own replay if anyone had a good program that they know works well.


Anyway, c'mon people! We need more action around here!!


~EI

[Rosti LFC]

It's been really quiet on this front. Where are all the 20G-G4 players!?




Nobody plays World rotation due to evil SRS, most people who play ARS stick to TAP. Pretty much accounts for it.

[EIHoppe]

It's been really quiet on this front. Where are all the 20G-G4 players!?



Nobody plays World rotation due to evil SRS, most people who play ARS stick to TAP. Pretty much accounts for it.


Pah! Don't know what you're missing, everyone else! =P


~EI

[caffeine]

lol, so then where's all the 20G-G4 ARS players?

[Rosti LFC]

lol, so then where's all the 20G-G4 ARS players?


Playing TA Death or TAP Master mode instead. My score is only really a provisional. I think I could improve it a lot more if I actually played more than a few games.

[caffeine]

doesn't help the logic. srs players may be playing other games as well.

[colour_thief]

Jago: in Japan surrounded by arcades.

colour_thief: has an awesome arcade at home.

matt_hatter: witholding records while he trains in the ways of the stick.

Amnesia: highly motivated to pass people in Death and defend his postion in Master.

kotetsu: largely distracted by untetrisly things.

DIGITAL: is participating.

Report: coding texmaster.

etherstorm: exists only in legend.

Rosti: is participating.


etc etc etc


Happy now?

[caffeine]

i'm confused now.

[colour_thief]

Weren't you complaining that nobody was participating, despite not participating yourself?


Now I'm confused.

[jujube]

Nobody plays World rotation due to evil SRS

i have no clue what you're talking about. that doesn't even make sense.

http://www.blueskycycling.com/product/7 ... h_Ring.htm (http://www.blueskycycling.com/product/722/35/Evil_E_Thirteen_SRS_Chainguide_W_Bash_Ring.htm)

[caffeine]

i dunno. i didn't think i was complaining. eihoppe was asking where the 20g g4 players were, and rosti said nobody plays srs because ars guys play tap, but that doesn't make sense because 20g g4 includes srs and ars, and for other reasons.


anyway, whatever you do, do not google image search "srs" without the content filter on! yikes.

[jujube]

well of course i tried this first:

http://www.tetrisconcept.com/wiki/index ... +SRS&go=Go (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/../wiki/index.php?search=evil+SRS&go=Go)


edit: is this what you're talking about Rosti?


http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8501/evilsrswz1.jpg

[Rosti LFC]

i dunno. i didn't think i was complaining. eihoppe was asking where the 20G g4 players were, and rosti said nobody plays srs because ars guys play tap, but that doesn't make sense because 20G g4 includes srs and ars, and for other reasons.



The majority of the players here are ARS only, and won't go play SRS unless they're forced to. Digital is one of the few exceptions.

Most of those ARS players aren't going to play 20G-#G4 Heboris, because they're usually playing TAP.

Even when I break out Heboris, I usually play #G4 standard or I play Doom.

[caffeine]

where's here? TC? you're saying the majority of players on at TC are ARS players?

[colour_thief]

I'm not sure I agree with that statement either. Though I do think we generally have more to talk about/compete in, for whatever reason.

[Rosti LFC]

where's here? TC? you're saying the majority of players on at TC are ARS players?


For the people who post records on this place, yes.


There are 21 people on the Lockjaw 40 lines leaderboard that use SRS. Some of those are players who primarily would play ARS, but have swapped to SRS for speed reasons.

Compare that to the 42 people who are on the TGM leaderboard. Twice as many.


Also, searching "arika" without a filter on Google images will bring up plenty of nudity as well.

[cdsboy]

i just use ARS because those are the piece possitions i am used to

[jujube]

where's here? TC? you're saying the majority of players on at TC are ARS players?

For the people who post records on this place, yes.


number of ARS-only leaderboards at TC: 15

number of SRS-only leaderboards at TC: 1


Tetris Zone, Tetris DS, Tetris Splash, Tetris Evolution, TOJ all have leaderboards somewhere else (working or not). and i don't really get defining yourself as an ARS or SRS player when you can play both. we don't have to pledge our allegiance to a rotation system and never look back, do we? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[Rosti LFC]

We don't have to pledge our allegiance to a rotation system and never look back, do we? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif


I think most people can't be bothered with the tetlag, so they prefer simply to stick to one. And as the games using ARS are far better (IMO at least) than those which use SRS, they stick to the ARS games.

[caffeine]

okay, then so we agree that most people play other games besides heboris 20g g4, and that is why we are lacking activity on this particular thread. when we give heed to reason, why say it's because ars players are playing other games? 20g g4 includes SRS and ARS.


you wouldn't believe all the players i see on tetris splash and tetris mobile. there's always someone playing tetris mobile. so while you say games that use ARS are better, i have this little feeling that future games will probably not be ARS. call it a hunch. and if i had to guess, any future ttc sanctioned tournaments (tetris cup maybe?) will probably be in SRS, too. i'm not saying it's bad to play ARS games. but for me anyway: i like to consider myself a competitive player, and that's the same reason i don't play tds anymore. tst and kick ts's are no longer guideline, so why bother practicing those techniques?

[DIGITAL]

tst and kick ts's are no longer guideline, so why bother practicing those techniques?


Those are only some elements involved that have been invalidated by newer games. There are still many techniques left over that still applies.


Besides, I choose to play something because it's fun. I can still be competitive. There's no reason I can't keep everything I have learned and choose to only use the tehniques that are applicable. I play both SRS and ARS and learn the nuances of both. If certain ARS skills are SRS applicable, then I bring them over. If certain ARS skills are not applicable in SRS, I just don't use them. I find that this gives me a more objective perspective when it comes to performance and evaluation of my ability.

[caffeine]

good point.

[lee n]

number of ARS-only leaderboards at TC: 15
number of SRS-only leaderboards at TC: 1

Tetris Zone, Tetris DS, Tetris Splash, Tetris Evolution, TOJ all have leaderboards somewhere else (working or not).

To be fair.. the ARS based games have leaderboards somewhere else too. That doesn't mean we can't have any here.

[caffeine]

really, leaderboards you 40 something guys are already on?

[lee n]

really, leaderboards you 40 something guys are already on?

I'm not on the TC leaderboards either - I'm just not that competative.

[jujube]

number of ARS-only leaderboards at TC: 15
number of SRS-only leaderboards at TC: 1

Tetris Zone, Tetris DS, Tetris Splash, Tetris Evolution, TOJ all have leaderboards somewhere else (working or not).
To be fair.. the ARS based games have leaderboards somewhere else too. That doesn't mean we can't have any here.

the thing that struck me was the lack of SRS leaderboards here. i don't think we have an excessive number of ARS leaderboards.

[EIHoppe]

...Wow.

Tetris. Serious Business.


I seriously wasn't expecting my little sarcastic comment to generate this much controversy.


In the end, it all boils down to playing what you enjoy (and in some cases, have available). Heboris (G4) is enjoyable to me, and I have easy access to it, so it's what I play.


To each their own, I suppose.


~EI

[Ghett0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6pLkjeJghc


That's my record for 20G.

[jujube]

thanks for posting Ghett0. i'm having trouble reading the time at the end of the video. i think it says 6:34:21 (and i'm assuming Ti-ARS) so correct me if i'm wrong. in the future it would be helpful if you could post your rotation system, rank, level, and time. of course video links are also welcome.


nice game, looks like you had no trouble reaching 500 (and without using hold). i'm sure you'll pass the torikan once you're manually locking deeper into the game. i don't know if anyone's analyzed this mode and figured out just how long you need to lock to still comfortably pass the torikan.


edit: just noticed you were using DRS. that's fine, i can add another leaderboard and maybe some others will give it a try. can you tell me what your rank was?

[Ghett0]

I got grade 1 on that run. And Actually, it's 6:34:91.

[Caithness]

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t251/keisunesu/Picture2.png

First time I passed the Torikan. Man, I love G4 in 20G. It's so exhilarating!

[Rosti LFC]

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t251/keisunesu/Picture2.png

First time I passed the Torikan. Man, I love G4 in 20G. It's so exhilarating!


Wow, 832 is really impressive.

[EIHoppe]

OHSHIT!


http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1127/eimasterem0.png
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4583/eimstatsek6.png

EIHoppe -----------M        999   06:30:53   30/01/08

I AM MASTER, HEAR ME ROAR!


...or...something like that.


Is there a possibility of anyone encoding the replay? Fraps is being stupid and refuses to run, and my trial of Camtasia ran out. (Speaking of, any notable progress on the soundpack, Digital?)


~EI

[muf]

Is there a possibility of anyone encoding the replay? Fraps is being stupid and refuses to run, and my trial of Camtasia ran out. (Speaking of, any notable progress on the soundpack, Digital?)


Congrats on the M-rank! I can encode the replay for you if you want, it'll probably look somewhat like this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=jjZPxX4d-K0). Do you have your own YouTube account or would you want me to post it?

[jujube]

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif whoa...

congrats EIHoppe http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[EIHoppe]

I have my own (quite literally unused) account, so I can post it if you like. Thank you much for encoding it. =)


The replay (http://www.box.net/shared/jlayelgg0s).


Would you be willing to encode my current Devil-DOOM (http://www.box.net/shared/6szed3xc0s) record as well? Can't go wrong with more Heboris videos out there, right?


Thanks again, it's much much appreciated!


~EI


EDIT: Thanks for all the 'grats as well.


Like I said a while before, Digital, I'm coming for ya...

[Red_Star]

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/darkheroaja/heboris20gtiars.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/darkheroaja/heboris20g.jpg

This is my best score so far.

[DIGITAL]

I AM MASTER, HEAR ME ROAR!
Ah, congrats! That's a mighty huge leap you made. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

Like I said a while before, Digital, I'm coming for ya...

Motivation can't be bad. Right? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[EIHoppe]

Bah! The invisible roll will be the death of me!


Just had an M9 game that was going really well...except then it hit the M-roll and, uh...that did a really good job of doing me in. Time was about 6:16, platinum SK, but a failed M-roll.


Basically I need to do juuuuuuuuuuuust worse than I did here and have an awesome credit roll and I've got some grade upgrades. =P


~EI

[DIGITAL]

Basically I need to do juuuuuuuuuuuust worse than I did here and have an awesome credit roll and I've got some grade upgrades. =P

I know what you mean. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[Ghett0]

Bah! The invisible roll will be the death of me!

Just had an M9 game that was going really well...except then it hit the M-roll and, uh...that did a really good job of doing me in. Time was about 6:16, platinum SK, but a failed M-roll.

Basically I need to do juuuuuuuuuuuust worse than I did here and have an awesome credit roll and I've got some grade upgrades. =P

~EI


I shall beat you to GM. I just passed the Torikan and got above 600.

[EIHoppe]

You've got a ways to go, but don't give up. G4 GM is really difficult to obtain (hell, none of us have even obtained Master M yet...) Also, of curiousity, what's your grade looking like?


Another few M8s and M9s, none particularly noteworthy. I think I need to take a break for a few days so I can build up karma or something, heh.


~EI

[Ghett0]

You've got a ways to go, but don't give up. G4 GM is really difficult to obtain (hell, none of us have even obtained Master M yet...) Also, of curiousity, what's your grade looking like?

Another few M8s and M9s, none particularly noteworthy. I think I need to take a break for a few days so I can build up karma or something, heh.

~EI Grade is S6 and the like. I start with stacking up and then b2bs.

[kotetsu213]

m4 999 @ 7:07.75

Ti-WORLD

[Rosti LFC]

Grade is S6 and the like. I start with stacking up and then b2bs.



You're not even halfway to Gm then.

[Ghett0]

Grade is S6 and the like. I start with stacking up and then b2bs.


You're not even halfway to Gm then.


Oh really.

[EIHoppe]

Yeah.


The grade progression for G4 (and G2) is identical to TI's:

9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1;

S1, S2, S3, S4, S5, S6, S7, S8, S9;

M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, M6, M7, M8, M9;

Master, Master K, Master V, Master O, Master M; (are the lettered masters correct? Someone double-check me on that.)

Grand Master.


Anyway, it's good to see a bunch more people participating in this. It's rather nice to see "TI-clone Master" taking off. =P


~EI

[DIGITAL]

(are the lettered masters correct? Someone double-check me on that.)

Yeah, you nailed the order.

[jujube]

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/8097/drs20g527fp9.jpg
DRS feels pretty weird at first but you can see the potential for speed.


edit: 536 in 3:40:18. the lock delay is getting much shorter after 500. it might be really hard to reach 999 with a good time.

[Rosti LFC]

edit: 536 in 3:40:18. the lock delay is getting much shorter after 500. it might be really hard to reach 999 with a good time.


I've not played it extensively, but that sounds a lot like Ti-ARS. After 500 it suddenly gets extremely fast.

[jujube]

in #G4 you get a big speedup earlier the faster you play. and as you depend on ARE with ARS and DRS the difficulty level is most likely the same. so yeah, it's similar to Ti-ARS if you can play both systems at about the same pace.

[sjoecool1991]

I'm gonna play some DRS because there is 180 degree rotation.

Just for fun.

[DIGITAL]

I'm gonna play some DRS because there is 180 degree rotation.
Just for fun.

Just an FYI: If you play on Heboris MINI, 180 degree rotation is not restricted to rotation system.

[tepples]

Just an FYI: If you play on Heboris MINI, 180 degree rotation is not restricted to rotation system.

What kicks does it use for ARS and especially SRS when the player presses the 180 button? Or does it just apply one direction twice like Lockjaw does?

[caffeine]

the game uses original kicks. it's the same for ARS and SRS i believe. i recorded the kick tables down at one point, and this may be dated info:


int otherBlock180KickTable[11 * 2 * 4] = {
1, 0,   2, 0,   1, 1,   2, 1,  -1, 0,  -2, 0,  -1, 1,  -2, 1,   0,-1,   3, 0,  -3, 0, // 0>>2
0, 1,   0, 2,  -1, 1,  -1, 2,   0,-1,   0,-2,  -1,-1,  -1,-2,   1, 0,   0, 3,   0,-3, // 1>>3
-1, 0,  -2, 0,  -1,-1,  -2,-1,   1, 0,   2, 0,   1,-1,   2,-1,   0, 1,  -3, 0,   3, 0, // 2>>0
0, 1,   0, 2,   1, 1,   1, 2,   0,-1,   0,-2,   1,-1,   1,-2,  -1, 0,   0, 3,   0,-3 // 3>>1
};

int iBlock180KickTable[11 * 2 * 4] = {
-1, 0,  -2, 0,   1, 0,   2, 0,   0, 1,    0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0,
  0, 1,   0, 2,   0,-1,   0,-2,  -1, 0,    0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0,
  1, 0,   2, 0,  -1, 0,  -2, 0,   0,-1,    0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0,
  0, 1,   0, 2,   0,-1,   0,-2,   1, 0,    0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0, 0,0
};

[Ghett0]

Ti-ARS Level 950 in around 9:30.


EDIT : Class S3.

[Mr. Antisocial]

TI-ARS


Mr. Antisocial ----S7      777    06:23:08   09/02/08

[Amnesia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4UyJqMUbpg


DIGITAL, this MV rank, is it a similar MV rank you would have been earned if you had played on the real TI ?? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

If it is true, that means I seriously need to abandon TAP and jump on Heboris immediately..That also means you are really stronger than me, jago, c_t and matt..I lose my time on TAP..I will have a bad surprize when TI will become available on MAME..


A second big question I have : why the WORLD system requirements for torikans are so slower than CLASSIC system requirements ? I also talk about all performed time in general by players..


I always though it was because the WORLD system does not give the bonus lines..(1 tetris --> 6 levels)

[tepples]

I will have a bad surprize when TI will become available on MAME..
Like In The Groove, Ti runs on a modified PC. So it will likely run in a variant of VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/default.htm) before it runs in MAME.

A second big question I have : why the WORLD system requirements for torikans are so slower than CLASSIC system requirements ?

The CLASSIC rotation has lock reset on Y change. The WORLD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbArvIqZzkI) rotation has lock reset on Y, X, or Theta change (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/../wiki/index.php?title=Infinite_spin).

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/../wiki/images/b/bb/Tetris-spinnaz.gif
So the effective lock delay in the WORLD (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/mudah) rotation is longer than in the CLASSIC rotation.


But it's too bad Mr. Rogers doesn't want TGM anywhere else in the world (http://sonicwryyyyyy.ytmnd.com/default.htm), especially not on Wii (http://lekonua.deviantart.com/art/ZA-WARUDO-WIIIIIII-66366978).

[Amnesia]

Ok..Now, what is happened during the M-roll with the WORLD system, you only have to : turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn, turn..with one tetriminos, for

1 minute, and you finish the M-roll ?? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

If you reach 500 with a time greater than 2:28:00 (Classic) or 3:03:00 (World)


I am sorry tepples, but the difference is too high (20%) for me to accept your argument..There is another important reason I think..Or maybe Mihara wanted to disparage the world system..

[kotetsu213]

No, because Ti gives a max of 8 resets for one piece.

[DIGITAL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4UyJqMUbpg

DIGITAL, this MV rank, is it a similar MV rank you would have been earned if you had played on the real TI ?? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

If it is true, that means I seriously need to abandon TAP and jump on Heboris immediately..That also means you are really stronger than me, jago, c_t and matt..I lose my time on TAP..I will have a bad surprize when TI will become available on MAME..
It's similar I suppose but I'm not sure how similar. And take into consideration that Classic (ARS) is another beast compared to World (SRS). The main reason has to do with step reset and move reset which significantly alters the forced speed. And by the way, my highest is MO. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTqPoxqJwE

A second big question I have : why the WORLD system requirements for torikans are so slower than CLASSIC system requirements ? I also talk about all performed time in general by players..

I always though it was because the WORLD system does not give the bonus lines..(1 tetris --> 6 levels)

I think it has to do with SRS being more newbie friendly. Move reset and SRS's initial orientation lends itself to survival. It would make sense to make the time requirements easier as well under this assumption that newbies play SRS. I'm not saying that SRS can't be used by pros though.

[Kitaru]

Like In The Groove, Ti runs on a modified PC. So it will likely run in a variant of VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/default.htm) before it runs in MAME.
In theory, one could run a decrypted image of the drive directly or copy the decrypted data for use in the appropriate build of StepMania. Ti could theoretically be made to run in a similar fashion, but it wouldn't be as neat and easy (if you can call decrypting game data and modifying files neat and easy). It would likely be encrypted, have additional security checks, and it would surely have no facility for non-JVS control. Whether or not someone could manage such a feat, you wouldn't want to emulate it at all, if possible.

...the WORLD (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/mudah)...the world (http://sonicwryyyyyy.ytmnd.com/default.htm)...Wii (http://lekonua.deviantart.com/art/ZA-WARUDO-WIIIIIII-66366978).

It took me a second to figure out what you were getting at, but that was great. Haha, well played.

[Ghett0]

The grade for my 950 run was S3.

[Red_Star]

All right I'm getting over 500 now. This is my first S1. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/darkheroaja/20gS1.jpg

by the way this is TI-ARS 20g-#G4. same thing as my last score.

[EIHoppe]

Congrats on the S1! Keep working up the speed--going fast is a large part in G4 grading as far as I can see, so keep shaving seconds off those section times!


In other news, I've tied/come close to my records a few times again (Another S8 ARS (technically an improvement, but it's only of 4 more levels of survival and I don't recall the time, so I won't bother looking up the details), another Master World, and quite a few M9 Worlds), but I can't quite seem to break into new ground as of yet. I'll either play really fast but stack sloppy--I've come close to the six minute mark but only get M6-M7; or I'll be somewhat slow, stack pretty well, and futz up the credit roll and end up with M8 or M9.


The lesson to learn from this is don't give up--eventually you'll get the pesky system to give you an improvement. =P


~EI


EDIT: Thanks to mufunyo's efforts, my Master Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2_8tA_r5Gk) is now uploaded and visible on Youtube. Enjoy.

[muf]

OHSHIT!
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1127/eimasterem0.png
EIHoppe -----------M        999   06:30:53   30/01/08

I AM MASTER, HEAR ME ROAR!

...or...something like that.

Is there a possibility of anyone encoding the replay?
~EI

[Amnesia]

Rank S6..

Whoahh...Even with the stick I need some practice to beat DIGITAL... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif

[Amnesia]

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif

[Ghett0]

Rank S6..
Whoahh...Even with the stick I need some practice to beat DIGITAL... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif


Keep going man! Then you'll break 900! And then 999!

[Amnesia]

Bou :




[/b]

[Ghett0]

Bou :





What happened man?

[EIHoppe]

Bou is Amnesia's understudy of sorts. In other words, two different people. =P


Also, I'd like to remind everyone that survival isn't everything--if you have fast section times, you'll be able to push the game far faster than if you didn't--as reflected in your SP:RANK value, and you'll usually (emphasis on usually) end up with a better grade if you have similar stacking to a slower game.


For instance, on my Master play, I ended with an SP:RANK of 169, meaning I missed two section cools. Ideally, you want an SP:RANK of 189, like Digital's MO, which is every section cool plus a well-played 900 section.


In other words, level isn't the only thing you should look at for progress--I can survive past level 700 on TI-ARS if I play slow, but if I push my speed the 600 section will begin to get fast enough to cause me to horribly misdrop.


~EI

[Rosti LFC]

Is there an explanation anywhere of what SP:RANK is/means? I couldn't find one on the wiki.

[EIHoppe]

As far as I can tell (i.e. empirical evidence for the win!), it's just a numerical representation of how far on the speedcurve you are. As for the specifics, I haven't looked into it beyond the fact that if you get a section cool it goes up by 20 relative to the start of the section, and if you don't it goes up by 10 instead.


~EI

[cdsboy]

i had no idea that the better you did the harder it got. That would explain why i have such a hard time finishing. I break 500 at about 4:30 and get plenty of cools.

[Rosti LFC]

i had no idea that the better you did the harder it got. That would explain why i have such a hard time finishing. I break 500 at about 4:30 and get plenty of cools.


Yeah, it's copying Ti Master, which has a speedcurve dependent on the player. #G2 sets an easier curve and #G4 is a more difficult one.

[jujube]

i had no idea that the better you did the harder it got. That would explain why i have such a hard time finishing. I break 500 at about 4:30 and get plenty of cools.

Yeah, it's copying Ti Master, which has a speedcurve dependent on the player. #G2 sets an easier curve and #G4 is a more difficult one.

so you could say this mode is more difficult than Ti Master because it's 20G the whole way. nothing wrong with that though. it's good to have something more forgiving than DOOM anyway.

[Amnesia]

High grades need both tetrises and fast times. So you'll need to play faster.


Ha ha ha.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif Thank you very much DIGITAL for this precious advice..

[Amnesia]

What a humiliation... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif

I will work hard..I promise I will work very hard to catch up your speed..

I already beaten c_t one time, you will not resist as well.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[DIGITAL]

Digital -----------m7      997    05:44:38   13/02/08

[DIGITAL]

Digital -----------m7      999    05:37:85   13/02/08
If only I didn't fail the credits... *sigh*

[Amnesia]

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif
It is a nightmare...


Jago just told me to well play with manual locking, until 600, then just survive until 999 to get m7...That should be not so hard.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
Once I will have mastered the HOLD.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

[DIGITAL]

The grading is a bit different in Heboris. If you just survive to 999 after playing very well until 600, chances are you'll end up with an m3-m5. I manual locked the whole way and tetrised mostly until 700 with a tetris or two in the 8xx for the m7. Who knows, it might have been higher had I not failed the credits.

[Ghett0]

Dang it, Digi beat me to 999.

[sjoecool1991]

Hey, I was thinking about making some replays, and I want to youtube them.

But my computer hates screen recorders.

I was hoping I could upload my replays, and have someone record them for me.


Please? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
It would be even more awesome if people could record them, then send me the vid so I could upload them on youtube.

[jujube]

Dang it, Digi beat me to 999.

just remember that grade is more important than level. if you have to slow down to reach a higher level and your grade drops, you're not really improving.

[Ghett0]

I'm not even the M's yet. Digi beat me. I accept defeat..

[muf]

Hey, I was thinking about making some replays, and I want to youtube them.
But my computer hates screen recorders.
I was hoping I could upload my replays, and have someone record them for me.

Please? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
It would be even more awesome if people could record them, then send me the vid so I could upload them on youtube.

Only if you reach an interesting grade, like EIHoppe's Master.

[sjoecool1991]

Hey, I was thinking about making some replays, and I want to youtube them.
But my computer hates screen recorders.
I was hoping I could upload my replays, and have someone record them for me.

Please? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
It would be even more awesome if people could record them, then send me the vid so I could upload them on youtube.
Only if you reach an interesting grade, like EIHoppe's Master.

I'll probably be doing mission mode.

Devil Road and Grand Road are my goals.

[Red_Star]

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/darkheroaja/S1heboris.jpg

Still S1 but i cut off a good bit of time. TI-Ars 20g#4. Quick question which is more important Level or Time? because this one isn't as high of level but i did it faster so i wasn't sure if this is better than my old one.

[DIGITAL]

I believe level is prioritized first since the time isn't the mastering time.

[Rosti LFC]

I'm not even the M's yet. Digi beat me. I accept defeat..


Hate to say I told you so...

[caffeine]

you accept defeat? that's lame. keep trying. i remember when jono couldn't break a minute in 40 lines.

[jujube]

Quick question which is more important Level or Time? because this one isn't as high of level but i did it faster so i wasn't sure if this is better than my old one.
I believe level is prioritized first since the time isn't the mastering time.

yeah, grade > level > time, but this isn't to say your time isn't important. i added a levels/second stat.


Rotation: Ti-ARS
================================================== ============
Name             Class    Level     Time      Lv/S    DD/MM/YY
================================================== ============
Digital -----------m7      999    05:37:85    2.96    13/02/08
Amnesia -----------S8      886    06:18:88    2.34    12/02/08
Rosti LFC ---------S8      655    05:25:06    2.02    28/11/07
EIHoppe -----------S8      595    04:47:68    2.07    05/01/08
Mr. Antisocial ----S7      777    06:23:08    2.03    09/02/08
jujube ------------S5      747    06:47:35    1.83    15/11/07
Ghett0 ------------S3      950    09:30:xx    1.67    08/02/08
Caithness ---------S3      832    09:08:93    1.52    30/01/08
Bou ---------------S1      715    07:45:10    1.54    12/02/08
(RA) Red Star -----S1      555    05:50:76    1,58    10/02/08
it's very relevant as you can see.

[DIGITAL]

Digital -----------m8      999    05:30:21    ----    14/02/08
Once again, the credits screw me over. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[Amnesia]

OH my god...





No comment...

[DIGITAL]

Ah, the time is hurting you Amnesia. If you take a look at your SP:rank, you're not gathering up all the points and skipping all the sections of the speedcurve.

[Amnesia]

Yeah I know this time I took the low speedcurve..So I profited to reach a least 999 just to see a first time the M-roll..

I have been so surprized !!! it took ma 3 secondes to realize how insane is the speed of the m-roll..I was expecting the same speed of the TAP's...


Anyway, congratz DIGITAL for those m7, m7 and m8 in the same day !

You are a very impressive player.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif
But I would love you more if you could share the replay.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

(when I watch your section time records, I can see your average around 2,9 - 3 tm/s...My rate is only about 2,2 - 2,3...

That is the main problem I think.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[DIGITAL]

I have been so surprized !!! it took ma 3 secondes to realize how insane is the speed of the m-roll..I was expecting the same speed of the TAP's...

Yeah, it's really killing me as well. That's the speed of the max level 900 or something around there.


Here's the m8 replay. Unfortunately, the last few sections weren't very clean though compared to my other runs.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/z5478n

[Amnesia]

You are a monster...

I can't do anything against you...

[Ghett0]

I have been so surprized !!! it took ma 3 secondes to realize how insane is the speed of the m-roll..I was expecting the same speed of the TAP's...
Yeah, it's really killing me as well. That's the speed of the max level 900 or something around there.

Here's the m8 replay. Unfortunately, the last few sections weren't very clean though compared to my other runs.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/z5478n

After watching that replay, I just realized how much I suck.

[cdsboy]

After watching that replay, I just realized how much I suck.


Finally! You caught on http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[Ghett0]

Guys, get a load of this. The game rewards more in terms of grade for faster play! So, if you want a high grade, go for speed!

[jujube]

Guys, get a load of this. The game rewards more in terms of grade for faster play! So, if you want a high grade, go for speed!

that's been mentioned several times now in this thread http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[Amnesia]

Hmm http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif I am not yet so bad...

Please DIGITAL...Tell me something nice... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif

I am glad to see I perform a new section time record every almost time I play..That means I am not yet at my maximum on the new ARS..

[Ghett0]

Guys, get a load of this. The game rewards more in terms of grade for faster play! So, if you want a high grade, go for speed!
that's been mentioned several times now in this thread http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif


I haven't been here for that long though, so I have an excuse. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

[sjoecool1991]

I have been working on mostly sections times for this.

My best for the first section so far is 1:06

[Amnesia]

Bou :


[/url]

[url=http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=530&i=sanstitrexp9.jpg] (http://imageshack.us/default.htm)

[Ghett0]

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif SRS was not meant for 20g. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif

[Amnesia]

2 weeks ago, I would have never imagined to ask you that DIGITAL, but today I seriously need some of your advices.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

If only you could watch my replays :


rank m1 @ 5:51 : http://www.sendspace.com/file/wq7i9g


Doom 447 @ 2:24 : http://www.sendspace.com/file/c6ilw2


I just need some general orientation and global advice..No need to report bad moves during the game..I have nothing to learn from you about ARS placements..But I would like to know where is the main problem..Only the speed? the bad using of the HOLD ? No enough Tetris in the begining ?

Anyway..

[DIGITAL]

I believe you are just suffering from tetlag. Judging from watching the general method by which you stack, you're not really taking advantage of DAS techniques. You seem to be tapping and sliding under overhangs way too often. This is a direct result from not stacking the field evenly enough, not using hold to rearrange your placement orders, and perhaps not paying close enough attention to the preview. Minimize your use of the pyramid and learn to use little spikes in your stack to manuever pieces. Remember that you're not bounded by the I's inability to floorkick in TAP.


There are also some things holding you back. Your refusal to lock as it got too fast limited your placements. I don't recommend pausing and letting the lock delay take over. It will only hinder your progress in the long run. This is not like Death. There will be negative consequences for playing slowly as well. You will not be able to attain enough points to skip speedcurve sections.


Learn to use IHS to its fullest potential. First, learn when and in what situations to use hold. Then learn to use hold in your play. Then learn to IHS. Finally, learn how to IHS in combination with IRS and DAS. Oh, and here's a vital tip: learn to stack with an I in hold to maximize tetrises and minimize x99 level stops.


Tetrises are vital as well. You were unable to pull off enough of them early on and that cost you at around 500 or 600 when you didn't skip a section.

[Amnesia]

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The tetlag yeah..I improve as you can see, but I am sure I am under my real skill currently..I lose some DAS reflex, because I try to manage the hold in the same time so I don't use so many optimized moves as I could do on TAP....


Minimize your use of the pyramid and learn to use little spikes in your stack to manuever pieces. Remember that you're not bounded by the I's inability to floorkick in TAP.


Hmm mm that will be hard for me to change his habit..It is more natural for you because you are basically a SRS player..


There are also some things holding you back. Your refusal to lock as it got too fast limited your placements. I don't recommend pausing and letting the lock delay take over. It will only hinder your progress in the long run. This is not like Death. There will be negative consequences for playing slowly as well. You will not be able to attain enough points to skip speedcurve sections.



Stille a problem of tetlag..The setting of the couple ARE/lock delay is different..So my brain is not on the good rythm..

Learn to use IHS to its fullest potential. First, learn when and in what situations to use hold. Then learn to use hold in your play. Then learn to IHS. Finally, learn how to IHS in combination with IRS and DAS. Oh, and here's a vital tip: learn to stack with an I in hold to maximize tetrises and minimize x99 level stops.



I begin to undestand the last subtilities of the IHS, I have still a little problem with the "J" and "L", but I feel it is begining to come..

About the "I" in reserve, yeah I know but... http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

(http://imageshack.us/default.htm)

[url=http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=514&i=recordheb20gg4rg7.jpg]


ah! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
a bit slow maybe...

[jujube]

:( SRS was not meant for 20G. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif

oh really? (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17285&highlight=#17285)

[Ghett0]

I believe you are just suffering from tetlag. Judging from watching the general method by which you stack, you're not really taking advantage of DAS techniques. You seem to be tapping and sliding under overhangs way too often. This is a direct result from not stacking the field evenly enough, not using hold to rearrange your placement orders, and perhaps not paying close enough attention to the preview. Minimize your use of the pyramid and learn to use little spikes in your stack to manuever pieces. Remember that you're not bounded by the I's inability to floorkick in TAP.

There are also some things holding you back. Your refusal to lock as it got too fast limited your placements. I don't recommend pausing and letting the lock delay take over. It will only hinder your progress in the long run. This is not like Death. There will be negative consequences for playing slowly as well. You will not be able to attain enough points to skip speedcurve sections.

Learn to use IHS to its fullest potential. First, learn when and in what situations to use hold. Then learn to use hold in your play. Then learn to IHS. Finally, learn how to IHS in combination with IRS and DAS. Oh, and here's a vital tip: learn to stack with an I in hold to maximize tetrises and minimize x99 level stops.

Tetrises are vital as well. You were unable to pull off enough of them early on and that cost you at around 500 or 600 when you didn't skip a section.


Skip sections? what?

[DIGITAL]

Skip sections? what?

Of the speedcurve...

[Ghett0]

Oh, thank goodness it wasn't real sections.

[tepples]

:( SRS was not meant for 20G. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif
oh really? (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17285&highlight=#17285)

JRS != SRS. If you want to point to something that vindicates Mr. Rogers, point to za Warudo (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=16393#16393).

[sjoecool1991]

Not a good score at all.

But posting anyway.

[jujube]

:( SRS was not meant for 20G. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif
oh really? (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17285&highlight=#17285)
JRS != SRS. If you want to point to something that vindicates Mr. Rogers, point to za Warudo (http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=16393#16393).

yes, but i was afraid he was giving up on Henk's RS. maybe that video will convince him otherwise.

[Amnesia]

Ti WORLD !! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

I think that is all what I can do..

[Mr. Antisocial]

Ti-ARS



Mr. Antisocial ----S8      783    06:19:11    2.06    18/02/08

Glad I decided to play a quick game before bed. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

[herc]

my second 500, this time only 3 previews:


http://www.coreloop.com/dump/heboris_20 ... c_best.jpg (http://www.coreloop.com/dump/heboris_20g_g4_herc_best.jpg)


http://www.coreloop.com/dump/replay09.sav


now with a better time and a better score, more tetrises.

i got grade 4 i am quite happy, as it took me at least 20 trials to get this second 500...

[Amnesia]

http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif M roll is so easy with SRS..

I am satisfacted by this S9, I don't need more in Ti world..

It is just for my tetris culture..

[jujube]

it's good to try a little bit of everything.

[Amnesia]

I finished the staff roll and only m5.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

replay :

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4o0zko

[muf]

I finished the staff roll and only m5.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif

I'm guessing it was the slow fading staff roll then?

[Rosti LFC]

I finished the staff roll and only m5.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif
I'm guessing it was the slow fading staff roll then?


I think it would be quite obvious from the "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH" in his post if he'd managed the full invisible one.

[Amnesia]

[/url]

[url=http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=517&i=sanstitredrsbl6.jpg] (http://imageshack.us/default.htm)


http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif DAMN DRS !!!

it've made me upset for the whole evening..


I don't understand his grading system..I played a lot of game better than this last one and only been rewarded with poor ranks between S4 and S8..

[sjoecool1991]

I just got S2 5 times in a row rofl.


Now it speeds up a shitload at level 500, a lot more than usual.

Happened to me twice.



Is this just because I am slowly getting faster in section times?

(I did get 50 seconds in the first section as opposed to my previous best of 53)

[DIGITAL]

I just got S2 5 times in a row rofl.

Now it speeds up a shitload at level 500, a lot more than usual.
Happened to me twice.


Is this just because I am slowly getting faster in section times?
(I did get 50 seconds in the first section as opposed to my previous best of 53)

Yep, a lot of tetrises and fast section times will ramp up the speed.

[sjoecool1991]

This is ridiculous.

Bump my S2 streak to 9.


I think something is wrong with my Heboris ini or something.

[jujube]

is your time, level, and SP:RANK always about the same? have you tried playing faster for higher SP or slower for higher level?

[sjoecool1991]

is your time, level, and SP:RANK always about the same? have you tried playing faster for higher SP or slower for higher level?

Different level every time.

Different times as well.


Maybe its just coincidence.

[Bou]

DRS :


[/url]

[url=http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=508&i=boudrss6rx4.jpg] (http://imageshack.us/default.htm)

[Amnesia]

I precise that Bou really managed a S7 in DRS rotation..He just took the screenshot at the bad moment.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[Rosti LFC]

Was it exactly S7, or was the real grade actually higher?

[sjoecool1991]

2 things.

How do you even get promotion exams to work.

I know you have to change something in the ini, but I don't know what.


Also, beat my score.

I also forgot to save the replay again.

Next time I will, I want a vid.

[DIGITAL]

2 things.
How do you even get promotion exams to work.
I know you have to change something in the ini, but I don't know what.
In heboris.ini, set:

enable_randexam = 2;toenable_randexam = 1;

[Bou]

DRS :


S8 - 691 - 5:24:96


Sorry I lost the screenshot between 2 manip..

[Bou]

Still DRS :

[sjoecool1991]

There, I beat my rank again.

And I got a replay.

So if its possible for someone to convert it to AVI, or if someone has a tool that can convert it, PM me.







EDIT: hey, can someone make me a WMV or AVI from my replay, Jujube said his laptop is overheating to easily right now.

Please? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[Amnesia]

There is no worse thing than being beaten by his own padawan.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
So I have taken some precaution to prevent this event to occur.

Sorry cdsboy, you were on my way.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

EDIT :


DD/MM/YY
========
25/11/07
30/01/08
27/11/07


Jujube you are american !? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

[DIGITAL]

DD/MM/YY
========
25/11/07
30/01/08
27/11/07

Jujube you are american !? http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

Because of the date format? On the contrary, most Americans use MM/DD/YY.

[jujube]

most Americans use MM/DD/YY.

but most of the world uses DD/MM/YY http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif i think the order makes more sense that way...but maybe kotetsu213 would disagree.

[Rosti LFC]

Maybe we should emulate the Japanese and go for YY/MM/DD?


I find Month-Day-Year to be a bit odd, because it isn't either descending or ascending across the date.

[cdsboy]

Sorry cdsboy, you were on my way.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif



Hehe it was a fluke anyways http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif i've been waiting for someone like you to pass me up

[tepples]

Maybe we should emulate the Japanese and go for YY/MM/DD?

ISO agrees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601), recommending YYYY-MM-DD.

[muf]

The date style should be indicated by the separators.

American style: MM/DD/YYY

European style: DD-MM-YYYY


So, if you use slashes, be sure to put the month first, or else, use dashes. Windows also does this when you switch between American and European locales.

[caffeine]

if it makes in difference, tetrisconcept.com servers are based in the US. but yeah, i like iso format (2004-02-12T15:19:21-06:00).

[Ghett0]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XML72QFR


4:21:41 @ 557 - S7

[Ghett0]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VRIHK7C2



652 @ 4:52.50 w/ an S9. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif

[Amnesia]

I will carefully watch and analyse your S9 Ghetto..

Sometimes I have some doubt about your skill..

Don't be upset I must be wrong..But when I see a no natural improvement, I want to be sure and check it by myself..

[Ghett0]

BTW, in the leaderboard, who would come first? Me or BOU? Bou has a higher level, yet I have a way faster time.

[Amnesia]

DRS # ARS..

And Bou is certainly better than you on every points..

I watched your video and I really don't understand..You can't be the same player of the one who acheived a S9 on texmaster one week ago..

[Rosti LFC]

DRS # ARS..
I watched your video and I really don't understand..You can't be the same player of the one who acheived a S9 on texmaster one week ago..


Older version of texmaster, and one in which the grading system was easier.

[Ghett0]

I think he means that I'm BETTER than I was a week ago. And of course I am. You see the... I've been talking to Digital in #tetris a bit, and I learned about wall finesse. And I've also been speed training a lot.

[Zaphod77]

his texmaster grade was done on a version with an easier grading system. if this replay were soehow played back on beta 2patch 3 it would have a different grade.


Of course, the current version is innacurate as well, and yu can abuse level stops to help increase your grade much mor ein texmaster because regret is not implemented.

[Amnesia]

hmm.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
Maybe your IQ is about 170-180..Or you have really nothing else to do currently..

I can't believe that you had so much improved in one week..

Your SHIRASE 300 at 1:44 is really surprising as well..How is it possible that somebody who can't reach DEATH 400 are able to reach such a speed on sudden ti..


if everybody trust you I will be ok with that..Maybe I am too much paranoic..


Amnesia wrote:
DRS # ARS..
I watched your video and I really don't understand..You can't be the same player of the one who acheived a S9 on texmaster one week ago..


Older version of texmaster, and one in which the grading system was easier.



I don't care that this S9 had been made on a easier version..I was just speaking about the SKill in the video, if we compare with his S9 on Heboris 20G #G4, the gap seems to big..He is very hesitating with a game a bit dirty and messy in texmaster one week ago, whereas he is very confident and efficient on Heboris..No hole at all, almost only tetrises, good management of the hold at 500..Anyway..It is a bit suspect..

[Rosti LFC]

hmm.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
I can't believe that you had so much improved in one week..
Your SHIRASE 300 at 1:44 is really surprising as well..How is it possible that somebody who can't reach DEATH 400 are able to reach such a speed on sudden ti..



While I won't argue you questioning the rest of things, I think the extra previews, hold and the floorkicks present in Ti Shirase make it something you can't compare directly with TA Death.

Shirase 300 is only when the real speed kicks in. Considering my Shirase/Death record is 400/500, I don't see why his can't be 300/400

[Ghett0]

hmm.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
Maybe your IQ is about 170-180..Or you have really nothing else to do currently..
I can't believe that you had so much improved in one week..
Your SHIRASE 300 at 1:44 is really surprising as well..How is it possible that somebody who can't reach DEATH 400 are able to reach such a speed on sudden ti..

if everybody trust you I will be ok with that..Maybe I am too much paranoic..

Amnesia wrote:
DRS # ARS..
I watched your video and I really don't understand..You can't be the same player of the one who acheived a S9 on texmaster one week ago..


Older version of texmaster, and one in which the grading system was easier.


I don't care that this S9 had been made on a easier version..I was just speaking about the SKill in the video, if we compare with his S9 on Heboris 20G #G4, the gap seems to big..He is very hesitating with a game a bit dirty and messy in texmaster one week ago, whereas he is very confident and efficient on Heboris..No hole at all, almost only tetrises, good management of the hold at 500..Anyway..It is a bit suspect..


My IQ isn't 170-180, it's like 162. And I'm on spring break.

[Rosti LFC]

My IQ isn't 170-180, it's like 162. And I'm on spring break.


Stop kidding yourself.

No way it's that high.

[Ghett0]

My IQ isn't 170-180, it's like 162. And I'm on spring break.

Stop kidding yourself.
No way it's that high.


I got it tested, + it's not one of those crappy public school tests.

[Amnesia]

Why not Ghetto..That could be a good explanation..Mine is officialy tested and under 130..So 162 could explain your insane improvement and your difficulties to integer yourself here..

[Ghett0]

Why not Ghetto..That could be a good explanation..Mine is officialy tested and under 130..So 162 could explain your insane improvement and your difficulties to integer yourself here..


Yeah, my real problem is being so impulsive. But the reason I stack so cleanly and only get Tetrises is because I've been studying the wiki extensively and looking over everything Digital's said in this topic. He also taught me about wall finesse in #tetris.

[Rosti LFC]

Why not Ghetto..That could be a good explanation..Mine is officialy tested and under 130..So 162 could explain your insane improvement and your difficulties to integer yourself here..


Because 162 is an insanely high score. Even before you take into account his age.

I frankly would refuse to believe anyone here has an IQ THAT high, least of all Ghett0.

[Ghett0]

Why not Ghetto..That could be a good explanation..Mine is officialy tested and under 130..So 162 could explain your insane improvement and your difficulties to integer yourself here..

Because 162 is an insanely high score. Even before you take into account his age.
I frankly would refuse to believe anyone here has an IQ THAT high, least of all Ghett0.


Rosti LFC, people DO have Iqs that high.

[jujube]

...

[Rosti LFC]

Rosti LFC, people DO have Iqs that high.


Yes they do, and they're extremely rare. It's also pretty obvious when talking to them either in person or over a text-based medium that they are of abnormally high intelligence. You do not give off that aurora.

I'm not disputing that nobody in the world has an IQ that high, I'm disputing that you, or anyone else on this forum in fact, has an IQ that high.

I got mine tested respectably last April, and scored 139. I wouldn't quote it as being 100% accurate and reliable, but I'd say it places me between 130 and 145. To say you're over 20 points above me is slightly demeaning, even before you take into account the fact that it's 20 points at the extreme end of the scale, and they're therefore worth a bit more as well.


To use a Tetris analogy, it's like me disputing if you have a wifi rating of over 9000 on Tetris DS, or are a qualified GM on Ti. I'm not saying that they don't exist, just that they don't exist here, and if they did exist here, you wouldn't be my first guess to be one of them.

[Ghett0]

Ghett0 - i'll post your score without question, because it's too hard to believe one person and not another when it comes to this, even with your not-so-recent history of TASing/rank inflating. IMO the leaderboards aren't just for comparison between players, but to motivate yourself to improve, and to be proud of an honest rank/time (and you should be).

the only problem is you didn't say which rotation system you used, and i don't have time right now to watch your replay.


Ti-ARS.

[jujube]

IQ tests are subjective bits of rotten dogmanure anyways...pretty stinky if you ask me.

[caffeine]

ghett0 is one out of 55,906. with that superior genius intelligence of yours, you should GM TGM3 in no time flat.

[Ghett0]

ghett0 is one out of 55,906. with that superior genius intelligence of yours, you should GM TGM3 in no time flat.


Geez caffeine, yesterday was my first time on 20g G4 since the S3.

[K]

yeah every one, just don't be jalous about Ghetto's performance, it's not because he started recently that his learning curve should be as slow as for us. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif

Congratulation Ghetto ! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif
Keep going i hope you'll soon reach higher rank. You truly have the potential of JWK (a really famous player on japanese TGM community).


ps : imo people spent too much useless energy trying troubleshooting Ghetto

[Zaphod77]

Anyway most people who haven't trained hard enough on tap do better on TI because of the easier kicks, hold, and 3 piece preview.


I can reach 20g regularly on Special TI, yet struggle to do so on the modes that aren't TI based.

[Amnesia]

Ok I shut up now..

But let me tell that : Ghetto if the 2 next week you beat my record, I want a video of you with your hands playing and the screen..

[K]

Go Go Go Ghetto ! http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif

[cdsboy]

Ok I shut up now..
But let me tell that : Ghetto if the 2 next week you beat my record, I want a video of you with your hands playing and the screen..


And we know you can record video http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif So don't try that one http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[Ghett0]

Ok I shut up now..
But let me tell that : Ghetto if the 2 next week you beat my record, I want a video of you with your hands playing and the screen..


Okay. I'm going to see if I can broadcast what the camera sees to my screen, and some how "link" the applications so that I can assign what the camera displays as the value of a variable, which I can stick to the left side of the screen (where the joystick normally is).

[cdsboy]

Or you could just record your hands separately and sync them up later with a program like camtasia. Thats the easier way to do it. Your making this way harder than it has to be.

[Ghett0]

Or you could just record your hands separately and sync them up later with a program like camtasia. Thats the easier way to do it. Your making this way harder than it has to be.


True. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif But how will I know when to record?

[cdsboy]

you just record them independently and then sync them up later...

[cdsboy]

New record, also got 2 S7 yesterday,

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm131/nefarrion/Screenshot-1.png

[Ghett0]

New record, also got 2 S7 yesterday,
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm131/nefarrion/Screenshot-1.png


Judging by your time, you didn't manual lock in 500. That probably cost you the S9.

[muf]

My IQ isn't 170-180, it's like 162. And I'm on spring break.

I'm willing to bet you TAS'ed that IQ score.

[Edo]

Okay. I'm going to see if I can broadcast what the camera sees to my screen, and some how "link" the applications so that I can assign what the camera displays as the value of a variable, which I can stick to the left side of the screen (where the joystick normally is).

We know from this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7uz45dTQQ0) that you have a camcorder, so why not just do what SQR did (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4q1R99ybgs) and record your hands and your computer screen at the same time?

[Ghett0]

@muf : Oh lawl.


@edo : Okay. I'll make a Tetris "video journal".

[Ghett0]

Okay, update.


M2 @ 8:01:16 Level 999 - Ti-World

In Heboris Mini's Master-Hard 20g mode.

http://www.mediafire.com/?vfc9b2gmli1 (Replay)


EDIT:


http://www.mediafire.com/?isws1izjltz


M3 @ 7:33.03 - Ti-ARS, Level 975


Once again in Hebomini.

[kx5]

Heboris Mini -- ARS, Master-Hard

I haven't really ventured into 20G that much until this past week...


http://stashbox.org/106431/REPLAY01.SAV

If it isn't too much trouble, could someone critique my replay?

[jujube]

i have you added kx5. do you know what grade you earned, so i can put you in the right place? your levels/second says S5 but i want to be sure.

[kx5]

Oops, it's an S3.

[Amnesia]

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[url=http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=357&i=20gsrsze3.jpg] (http://imageshack.us/default.htm)


I begin to be not that bad on SRS..

But this fucking I rotation.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gifhttp://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif
I still don't understand, it seems impossible to put a I on the 2nd or 9th column without tap tap.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

[jujube]

I still don't understand, it seems impossible to put a I on the 2nd or 9th column without tap tap.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

try DAS left -> neutral -> rotate left

or

DAS right -> neutral -> rotate right

[tepples]

it seems impossible to put a I on the 2nd or 9th column without tap tap.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
try DAS left -> neutral -> rotate left
or
DAS right -> neutral -> rotate right

That works at low gravity. But at 20G, an SRS I piece tends to rotate around its end blocks when on the floor, unlike the Ti-ARS I that floor kicks straight up.

[Ghett0]

it seems impossible to put a I on the 2nd or 9th column without tap tap.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
try DAS left -> neutral -> rotate left
or
DAS right -> neutral -> rotate right
That works at low gravity. But at 20G, an SRS I piece tends to rotate around its end blocks when on the floor, unlike the Ti-ARS I that floor kicks straight up.


Yeah... It's like this;


            I|I|I|I
[][][][][][][][][]
[][][][][][][][][]
[][][][][][][][][]
[][][][][][][][][]
^
< > abc
v
[][][][][][][][][]I
[][][][][][][][][]I
[][][][][][][][][]I
[][][][][][][][][]I
^
< > Abc
v

[jujube]

yeah, the I will do that if the floor is flat. but not if column 9 is 2 or more blocks lower than column 8. so i guess it's one of those things you have to get used to.

[Ghett0]

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8396/m7rofljf2.png
I WIN.... Wait a sec. CURSE YOU DIGITAL!

[Ghett0]

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/531/m7to2.png
The M-roll is NOT a joke. 0_o

[Amnesia]

ah ah.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
It is fun after all..It took for him only 2 months to beat me everywhere and now he is rising on DIGITAL..Watch out DIGITAL, a strong opponent is behind you.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif

6:21 is nice Ghetto, the max I could do I think..

you are ready to get a 2nd TGM Gm.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[Ghett0]

ah ah.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
It is fun after all..It took for him only 2 months to beat me everywhere and now he is rising on DIGITAL..Watch out DIGITAL, a strong opponent is behind you.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif


Yes... I must just learn how to beat that darn M-roll.

[Amnesia]

Yeah, and please once you master it, don't hesitate to give me some tips.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif
How long it will take you.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
3 ? 4 weeks ?

[Ghett0]

ah ah.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
It is fun after all..It took for him only 2 months to beat me everywhere and now he is rising on DIGITAL..Watch out DIGITAL, a strong opponent is behind you.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif

6:21 is nice Ghetto, the max I could do I think..
you are ready to get a 2nd TGM Gm.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif


Don't forget Amnesia, the difference between TGM1 and Ti.... harder rotation, 1 preview, and no hold.

[Amnesia]

oh my god..I had forgotten.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif

It is true, it is easier to play at 2,5 tm/s with HOLD and 3 prev on TI than playing at 1,5 tm/s on TGM.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

PS : but the worst, the thing I mostly hate in this community, is the fact that a lot of people here believe what I just said..

[Ghett0]

oh my god..I had forgotten.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif

It is true, it is easier to play at 2,5 tm/s with HOLD and 3 prev on TI than playing at 1,5 tm/s on TGM.. http://www.tetrisconcept.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif

PS : but the worst, the thing I mostly hate in this community, is the fact that a lot of people here believe what I just said..


My max TM/S on TI is actually 3.

[Amnesia]

I think I am around 5..

[Ghett0]

I think I am around 5..


Replay, or it didn't happen. 0_o

[Amnesia]

oh tomorow I think..I am tired now..And when I am tired I struggle around ~4,2..