Thread in 'Hardware' started by Ken_P, 6 Nov 2007.

6. ### lee n

Out of curiosity, where do you live? Maybe we can help you find a cheaper place to buy the stick.

When you get a stick, spend late nights together, grow strong together.... You develop quite a bond and it becomes a deeply satisfying purchase that is worth every penny. If you're more than just curious Ken_P, I recommend saving up for a good stick. If you never learn to use it though, then it would be a $120 paperweight. As much as I strongly agree with the stick lovers, I can see how it's not a wise purchase for all people. Only you can make the call. 8. ### mat i just bought a VSHG, so... yay! final cost$121.20 thanks to the $5 coupon from the great Lee_N. thanks a lot for that. i can't wait to suck at tetris again. 9. ### mat it's awesome! i love the stick, wonderful feel. i'm surprised how easy it is for me to adapt to it. i was able to get to 936 master in TAP, which was pretty nifty. i've realized that my preferred button layout is not A B C, but B A C. doesn't really matter i guess, but kind of interesting. i have trouble when i DAS to the wall and move back a space... especially at low gravity. 1:22 0-100. i was using joy2key to heboris to detect the joystick movement, but it takes the buttons natively. is there something i need to do, or is this the solution? switching out the guide was way more difficult than you guys made it out to be. took me an hour. i felt like i was going to break the thing. it was ridiculous. kept pushing way harder than i thought i should have to. i don't think i'll be switching it back, which is too bad. although maybe if i practice it... i get nervous with the pieces exposed. meh. very glad i did this. 10. ### colour_thief You should have asked for help with the guide! It actually takes almost no effort to change it if you're doing it right. Trust me, at first I wasn't... I took a long time like you, and even took a hammer to it (!!). 11. ### Ken_PUnregistered I made what will no doubt be considered the "wrong" choice, as I managed to pick up a FS3 to play around with. I got it at a local computer retailer for$40, so it seemed worthwhile to try, as I have a no risk 30 day return period. If I don't like it, I'll simply bring it back and nothing lost.

I like the feel of a stick as compared to my preferred D pad, but it's going to take a lot of getting used to! One thing I am going to do is order a Sanwa restrictor plate, so that should hopefully take care of some of the misdrops I'm having now. As far as I can tell, I can just unscrew the current plate and screw in the new one with no other work needed. If that goes well and I get really brave, it looks like I can replace the whole stick with not too much difficulty. I have no problem with the buttons, so I don't see any need to replace those.

I did a lot of hunting, and I didn't find any possible way to get a HRAP or a VSHG for under $100. I got the FS3 for$40, and the mods I'm planning to make won't total more than \$30, and I don't have to do those right away. This may not be the absolute best out there, but I think it'll be good for me as a first step.

12. ### colour_thief

Let us know how easy installing the restrictor plate is. I'm guessing you'll have to epoxy it directly and hope for the best, but hopefully it's a better fit.

13. ### schnappyUnregistered

I could swear you copy and paste that into every "I want an arcade stick... cost to much...maybe..." thread.

14. ### Monte

It's true. The only real good stock stick is the namco arcade stick. Also the Street Fighter Anniversary stick does a decent job at mimicking the happ competition stick but the buttons are terrible. Other than that stock sticks are pretty bad. If I couldn't afford a real arcade stick I would rather do a usb mod to a saturn controller.

15. ### Ken_PUnregistered

A few impressions having spent some time playing with the stick: How does this thing work? I know there's an adjustment period, but I can't figure out how people get anywhere with this thing, let alone why it's the preferred method of input. Is there a joystick 101 out there somewhere that can at least show me how to hold the thing comfortably and still maintain control? Is there a special trick to double taps, because I'm hopeless trying to do them. I really want to learn, because so many people swear by them, but I'm very confused right now.

16. ### Monte

shows TGM HOLiC playing. Another popular way to hold ball top sticks is to hold it like a wine glass. Palm up and the shaft of the stick between your middle and ring finger. Seimitsu sticks are easier to do double taps with. It has a shorter throw, engage and it has a higher tension spring. I'd also think that 4 way wilcos or happ sticks would be good for double taps.

Also adjustment period isn't a couple of hours or even a couple of days. It can take months for some people to get fully adjusted to sticks. I've also seen people take months just to make the switch from american to japanese arcade parts.

You have to also keep in mind that your stick is pretty bad. I would much rather play with a saturn pad than a cheap hori stick. Playing on a sanwa and seimitsu is not even in the same ball park. That's why people say it's worth the investment. A hori stick is ok just to get a feel for arcade sticks but if you want to make any real improvements you have to step up to real arcade parts.

17. ### colour_thief

Maybe a slight trick to double tapping is that you don't have to move the stick to it's extreme limit. I usually do so for the second tap out of habit, but the first one is just a tiny twitch of pressure. It comes with practice.

As for general pointers on how to hold it, I suggest using whatever comes naturally. I think I push right with my palm, down with my fingers, left with my thumb, and up with my thumb joint. Watching the TGM3 GM video might help also.

18. ### shoryu

i've an old hori capcom fighting jam edition stick and it's true that it feels very plastic but when you get used to it, it's ok. Its better than playing with the keyboard anyway .

19. ### Ken_PUnregistered

A quick update: I got a Sanwa JLF stick, which, with a little bit of work, fits perfectly into the FS3 casing. The difference is amazing. Not just that I now have a proper 4 way gate, but the whole feel of the stick. Much more solid, and infinitely more responsive and accurate. Now I can start relearning properly, but I expect big things once I get a handle on it!

20. ### lee n

Isn't it a bit of a hassle to connect the Sanwa stick to the circuit board of the FS3? Seems like it would be less than trivial.